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Discrepancies in performance between the exact same Netcup Root Servers

raykraraykra Member
edited December 2024 in General

I got x2 RS 2000 G11 servers in NUE. both are the same specs and same price so they are technically identical

HOWEVER

GB6 Scores for the first one
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9132260
the other one
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9387035

that's about 10% difference in single core and 15% difference in multicore
is this normal ? or should i contact support ?!

My Main concern is that they're Dedicated cores so i didn't expect to see variance between different nodes

Comments

  • @raykra said: should i contact support ?!

    If you feel there's a problem, yes, contact support, they're the only ones that can help.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    It's perfectly normal. Single thread performance will get worse when other threads are in use. That's also a very small difference. Expect 15 % difference on the same server at different times. Maybe more.

    If you can't take CPU resources impacted by guests your only option is a dedicated server.

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  • raykraraykra Member
    edited December 2024

    @emgh said:
    If you can't take CPU resources impacted by guests

    yea i thought neighbors won't affect me at all because of "dedicated cores"

  • install alma 9

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  • wadhahwadhah Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:
    It's perfectly normal. Single thread performance will get worse when other threads are in use. That's also a very small difference. Expect 15 % difference on the same server at different times. Maybe more.

    If you can't take CPU resources impacted by guests your only option is a dedicated server.

    Would the silicon lottery affect vcpus on a kvm? Say the 2 vpses are on different physical servers

  • @wadhah said:

    @emgh said:
    It's perfectly normal. Single thread performance will get worse when other threads are in use. That's also a very small difference. Expect 15 % difference on the same server at different times. Maybe more.

    If you can't take CPU resources impacted by guests your only option is a dedicated server.

    Would the silicon lottery affect vcpus on a kvm? Say the 2 vpses are on different physical servers

    Not by that much

  • itsdeadjimitsdeadjim Member
    edited December 2024

    @raykra said: that's about 10% difference in single core and 15% difference in multicore
    is this normal ? or should i contact support ?!

    Please have mercy on the support team, they hear enough every day. Unless your application is controlling a nuclear reactor, there’s probably no need to open a ticket.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @raykra said:

    My Main concern is that they're Dedicated cores so i didn't expect to see variance between different nodes

    Are they on the same node?

    Plus I feel the cpu frequency may vary based on the internal thermals and the likes?

    Dedicated cores just would mean you can hammer them 24x7. But that would not guarantee consistent performance.

  • @plumberg said: Dedicated cores just would mean you can hammer them 24x7. But that would not guarantee consistent performance.

    Oh yeah a few months ago some bright minds were accusing avoro and netcup of false advertising because there were trying to mine on vds.

  • @plumberg said:
    Are they on the same node?

    nope i don't think so as i bought the other one around 2 weeks later

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @raykra said:

    @plumberg said:
    Are they on the same node?

    nope i don't think so as i bought the other one around 2 weeks later

    Buying at different times may not always mean different nodes, just saying.

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  • i believe their interpretation of "dedicated" is actually "unlimited".

    only wishosting advertises this accurately.

  • @cybertech said: i believe their interpretation of "dedicated" is actually "unlimited".

    only wishosting advertises this accurately.

    No this is not accurate. First of all this is not about advertisement but product specs.

    Now, even if your v process gets a pinned core, it's out of any provider control within today's tech to thermally isolate your core or give you an exclusive memory controller or L3-cache etc

    A dedicated core can and will have differences in performance depending on what your neighbors do, even if you get an exclusive instruction pipeline. These differences will affect synthetic benchmarks like geekbench, as these not only measure computational speed but they are also sensitive to shared caches and memory speed, i.e. compression tests.

    In some cases (see when some idiot is mining), these differences can be huge, but providers try to minimize this by rebalancing nodes.

    10% is far within reasonable expectations of a "dedicated core"

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  • @itsdeadjim said:

    @cybertech said: i believe their interpretation of "dedicated" is actually "unlimited".

    only wishosting advertises this accurately.

    No this is not accurate. First of all this is not about advertisement but product specs.

    Now, even if your v process gets a pinned core, it's out of any provider control within today's tech to thermally isolate your core or give you an exclusive memory controller or L3-cache etc

    A dedicated core can and will have differences in performance depending on what your neighbors do, even if you get an exclusive instruction pipeline. These differences will affect synthetic benchmarks like geekbench, as these not only measure computational speed but they are also sensitive to shared caches and memory speed, i.e. compression tests.

    In some cases (see when some idiot is mining), these differences can be huge, but providers try to minimize this by rebalancing nodes.

    10% is far within reasonable expectations of a "dedicated core"

    In addition, the EPYC 9634 has 2.25GHz base clock, 3.7Ghz turbo frequency. When all cores are utilized with variety of intructions it is roughly 3.1GHz, with only AVX2 its a little bit lower.

    Even with pinned, 100% dedicated cores one node csn have up to 20% faster cores just because of turbo behavior.

    And thats just a one variable that is mixed up with thermal headroom, cache performance, memory performance like you mentioned.

    With miners in your node you can expect ~1100 singlecore instead of ~1900 on Genoa, because they will peg cache, even if node has just like 40% CPU usage. Pinned cores wont solve the source of the problem.

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