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Hetzner Outage: Finland - Germany C-Lion cable is cut. (We all know who did it).

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  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited November 2024

    @Arkas said:

    @stefeman said: I need to calculate if I wanna say my next joke or not.

    No one is going to ban you for a joke. Just make sure it isn't racist please :smile:

    Your moderation is the joke. :smile:

    Thanked by 2xaoc Arkas
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    Thanked by 1Alyx
  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited November 2024

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

  • @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    Glad to hear that old news has finally reached Russia.

    It's a ship that was recently registered in China, and it has just left Russia before the sabotage.

    Where the ship is registered doesn't necessarily reveal who is behind the sabotage. So why don't you wait for real information from the Swedish/Finnish police instead of spreading more false rumors and nonsense?

    Or are you trying to tell us that this is one of the ships from the Russian shadow fleet?

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    It's just ridiculous and insane how far out Russia-haters go.

  • @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    Yes, Russia is really happy that Sweden and Finland joined NATO, and of course, Russia has never made any threats related to this. :D

    Russia carries out hybrid attacks on a daily basis because they think it will make us fear them. It’s only natural that most people suspect this is one of those hybrid attacks.

    It's just ridiculous and insane how far out Russia-haters go.

    You Russians should start behaving differently if you want other people to like you.

    Thanked by 1mrTom
  • @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    It's just ridiculous and insane how far out Russia-haters go.

    Russian anchor hitting finnish cable on finnish sea area is declaration of war. You must pay reparations now and apologize to mr cable.

  • @stefeman said:

    @Arkas said:

    @stefeman said: I need to calculate if I wanna say my next joke or not.

    No one is going to ban you for a joke. Just make sure it isn't racist please :smile:

    Your moderation is the joke. :smile:

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @xvps said:

    @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    Yes, Russia is really happy that Sweden and Finland joined NATO, and of course, Russia has never made any threats related to this. :D

    Of course, officially Russia isn't happy with those two scandinavian countries joining nazo. Factually, however, those two countries, just like almost all eu-ropean nazo members, are utterly insignificant militarily.

    I only see 3 or 4 eu-nazo countries whose military should be taken half-way seriously. First, sorry eu-ropean "we are mighty" believers, ukraine actually had a military next to which all eu-ropean armies looked weak. Then Turkey, to some degree France, and formertimes but not anymore the UK. The rest, and in particular, the scandinavian countries, are ridiculously weak, and the top jokes are the baltic micro wannabe-armies.

    Btw, I don't say that to make Russia's military look stronger (they don't need that anyway because they are stronger than even the "lighthouse of democracy") but rather to make incoming president Trump's position understood, which seems to be "We don't need you (eu-ropeans) - you need us! And unless you become more valuable militarily and quickly so, we don't need nato either; it's basically just a burden".

    And he is right.

  • @jsg said:

    @xvps said:

    @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    Yes, Russia is really happy that Sweden and Finland joined NATO, and of course, Russia has never made any threats related to this. :D

    Of course, officially Russia isn't happy with those two scandinavian countries joining nazo. Factually, however, those two countries, just like almost all eu-ropean nazo members, are utterly insignificant militarily.

    I only see 3 or 4 eu-nazo countries whose military should be taken half-way seriously. First, sorry eu-ropean "we are mighty" believers, ukraine actually had a military next to which all eu-ropean armies looked weak. Then Turkey, to some degree France, and formertimes but not anymore the UK. The rest, and in particular, the scandinavian countries, are ridiculously weak, and the top jokes are the baltic micro wannabe-armies.

    Btw, I don't say that to make Russia's military look stronger (they don't need that anyway because they are stronger than even the "lighthouse of democracy") but rather to make incoming president Trump's position understood, which seems to be "We don't need you (eu-ropeans) - you need us! And unless you become more valuable militarily and quickly so, we don't need nato either; it's basically just a burden".

    And he is right.

    We must bring the russian made anchor to hague for justice.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:

    @xvps said:

    @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:
    Oopsie, meanwhile I see more and more news about a chinese ship severing both cables - even in normal media.

    It was russian made anchor even if the ship was chinese.

    Brillant! So when the person hacking your server uses a say, Lenovo PC we must be angry with Lenovo - not with the hacker.

    But there's an ugly 'but': what if one of the antennas of said ship was a japanese one? Must we be angry with Japan then?
    Plus, even worse, the seafloor that anker hit was swedish or finnish or whatever. So, following your "logic" we must be angry with sweden or Finnland!

    Yes, Russia is really happy that Sweden and Finland joined NATO, and of course, Russia has never made any threats related to this. :D

    Of course, officially Russia isn't happy with those two scandinavian countries joining nazo. Factually, however, those two countries, just like almost all eu-ropean nazo members, are utterly insignificant militarily.

    I only see 3 or 4 eu-nazo countries whose military should be taken half-way seriously. First, sorry eu-ropean "we are mighty" believers, ukraine actually had a military next to which all eu-ropean armies looked weak. Then Turkey, to some degree France, and formertimes but not anymore the UK. The rest, and in particular, the scandinavian countries, are ridiculously weak, and the top jokes are the baltic micro wannabe-armies.

    Btw, I don't say that to make Russia's military look stronger (they don't need that anyway because they are stronger than even the "lighthouse of democracy") but rather to make incoming president Trump's position understood, which seems to be "We don't need you (eu-ropeans) - you need us! And unless you become more valuable militarily and quickly so, we don't need nato either; it's basically just a burden".

    And he is right.

    We must bring the russian made anchor to hague for justice.

    OK, agreed. But a good chunk of the guilty finnish (or swedish or whatever) see floor as well!

  • Funny how them ruzophiles and putler-lovers™ jumped in to fight for the pedophile federation's honor. 🤢

  • Whilst it's still not clear who did this or why, I saw it said that the culprits of this were the "CRINKS", (i.e. the alliance between the Chinese, Russians, Iranians and North Koreans), which I thought was pretty funny...and probably accurate.

  • @xaoc said:
    Funny how them ruzophiles and putler-lovers™ jumped in to fight for the pedophile federation's honor. 🤢

    Context? Did Putin get another "wife" again?

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @stefeman said:
    Context? Did Putin get another "wife" again?

    Are you mean that Putin made something like Macron did when you quote word "wife"? So far, I have not heard anything suspicious about the gender of Putin's wives. They were all true women.

    PS. It sounds ironic that, in the modern world, there are countries where you need to specifically identify your gender. Previously, products were advertised as being true iPhones or true Breguet's, but now you need to state: "a true man" or "a true woman".

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited November 2024

    @rustelekom said:

    @stefeman said:
    Context? Did Putin get another "wife" again?

    Are you mean that Putin made something like Macron did when you quote word "wife"? So far, I have not heard anything suspicious about the gender of Putin's wives. They were all true women.

    PS. It sounds ironic that, in the modern world, there are countries where you need to specifically identify your gender. Previously, products were advertised as being true iPhones or true Breguet's, but now you need to state: "a true man" or "a true woman".

    I heard he was into young girls previously. Specifically ice skaters and gymnastics people and those near or over 18 years old.

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @stefeman said:
    I heard he was into young girls previously. Specifically ice skaters and gymnastics people and those near or over 18 years old.

    I don't think there is anything abnormal.

    PS. Does anyone think the cause of the cables incident will be announced soon?

  • @rustelekom said:

    @stefeman said:
    I heard he was into young girls previously. Specifically ice skaters and gymnastics people and those near or over 18 years old.

    I don't think there is anything abnormal.

    PS. Does anyone think the cause of the cables incident will be announced soon?

    Yeah I agree, if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed.

  • xx00xxxx00xx Member
    edited November 2024

    @rustelekom said:

    PS. It sounds ironic that, in the modern world, there are countries where you need to specifically identify your gender. Previously, products were advertised as being true iPhones or true Breguet's, but now you need to state: "a true man" or "a true woman".

    do you think I'm gay or what?

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @xx00xx said:

    @rustelekom said:

    PS. It sounds ironic that, in the modern world, there are countries where you need to specifically identify your gender. Previously, products were advertised as being true iPhones or true Breguet's, but now you need to state: "a true man" or "a true woman".

    do you think I'm gay or what?

    Why you ask me?

  • Some more information on the subject from an interesting and informed source. A Finnish boat captain's analysis of events on YouTube:

    "Apparently Yi Peng 3 sailed 400 km dragging the anchor. The anchor was lifted up in all peace and then she kept on sailing. The movements of the ship showed clearly, that the anchor drop could not be unnoticed onboard.
    There are photos of the damaged anchor.
    "

    It's a long video, dubbed into English, but he really brings the receipts for his claims:

  • xvpsxvps Member
    edited November 2024

    @CloudHopper said:
    Some more information on the subject from an interesting and informed source. A Finnish boat captain's analysis of events on YouTube:

    "Apparently Yi Peng 3 sailed 400 km dragging the anchor. The anchor was lifted up in all peace and then she kept on sailing. The movements of the ship showed clearly, that the anchor drop could not be unnoticed onboard.
    There are photos of the damaged anchor.
    "

    It's a long video, dubbed into English, but he really brings the receipts for his claims:

    Some real experts suspect that the ship might have dragged something other than its anchor, as one of the cables was cut at a depth of 170 meters, which makes it unlikely that such a long anchor chain was involved.

    Interestingly, the ship also sailed over other cables at a slow speed (6 knots), and those cables are going to or has been inspected as well.

    Both the Swedish and German coastguards have joined the effort, meaning three countries are now guarding the ship.

    I think the following video explains it better.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2024

    This is irrelevant to a point. The Empire will continue this and the Chinese will also do it, they regularly cut the Vietnamese cables, for example as well as the Indian ones. They might claim they do not, but, as I said, it is irrelevant. What we should be asking ourselves now, is how can we defend against these attacks? Forbid the enemy ships from the territorial and economic zone waters? Escort them in international shallow waters? Deep cables can also be cut, it is more complicated and expensive, but so are the repairs in deep waters.

    We must find a solution for this and many other attacks, on satellites, on commercial shipping, either the Houthis or the Chinese ones, I think that, while the defence of Europe should be mainly an European affair as Trump rightly pointed out, the defence of international waters should be mainly an US job. As for the territorial waters and the economic zones, those should be defended by the owners and deny passage for the enemy shipping as well as ships owned by dodgy companies and countries which could be used for such attacks, or at least raise the insurance needed and make claims for the repairs while denying passage to any ship not properly insured for this kind of damages.

    You say it was an accident? Fine, your insurer will pay for the damages, then will raise your premiums. You can't pay the insurance? No problem, but then you can't pass through my territorial waters.

  • xvpsxvps Member
    edited November 2024

    In a recent interview with Helsingin Sanomat, the CEO of Win Enterprise Ship Management Co. Ltd., the company managing the Yi Peng 3, stated that they receive daily reports from the ship, all of which have been routine. He mentioned that he learned about the undersea cable cuts through news outlets and claimed that the 22 Chinese crew members aboard have not interacted with anyone else.

    However, this assertion appears to be inaccurate. Reports indicate that Danish pilots have been on board, and the bridge crew of the Yi Peng 3 communicated with journalists from the Danish news outlet Jyllands-Posten via radio on November 20.

    The CEO also stated that the ship is transporting coal from Russia to China, though the specific destination port has not been decided. He described the current delay as normal before concluding the interview.

    The two Chinese businessmen who own Ningbo Yipeng Shipping Co. Ltd., the company that owns the Yi Peng 3, have not responded to inquiries from any media.

    In other words: Nothing to see here; Everything is going according to plan.

    (Who on earth picks up cargo without knowing where to deliver it? Just saying.)

  • Crazy news:

    Due to international laws (the flag state principle), only China can decide what happens with Yi Peng 3, which is still in the Kattegat, Denmark.

    Neither Denmark, Sweden, Germany, nor Finland is allowed to board and search the ship without China’s permission.

    International maritime law is useless in a sabotage situation. A country (e.g., Russia) can sabotage any other country's undersea infrastructure in international waters, and under the law, the jurisdiction belongs to the country whose ship was involved. It is then up to the police in that country to investigate the crime.

    What a joke.

    Source (Danish):
    https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/hoejt-diplomatisk-spil-kina-bestemmer-i-kattegat/10448125

    (The journalist spoke with a Danish legal professor.)

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  • Confirmed from support that the problem is solved.

  • @Arkas Requesting closure of thread.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @stefeman said: @Arkas Requesting closure of thread.

    Done

This discussion has been closed.