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Hetzner Outage: Finland - Germany C-Lion cable is cut. (We all know who did it).

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  • @stefeman said: but not having balls to name the accused

    Because there's nobody to accuse of, underwater cables are being cut by anchors left and right. EU is hyping up the obligatory "Russia China at our doorstep" panic, but it's all baseless. The story will end up with a simple "dropped anchor during storm", just as the previous one.

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  • @egoror said:

    @stefeman said: but not having balls to name the accused

    Because there's nobody to accuse of, underwater cables are being cut by anchors left and right. EU is hyping up the obligatory "Russia China at our doorstep" panic, but it's all baseless. The story will end up with a simple "dropped anchor during storm", just as the previous one.

    There was no storm in the previous one you dumbass. The ship dragged that anchor several tens of kilometers.

  • Apparently the suspect ship has now been stopped and boarded by the Danish navy.
    https://bsky.app/profile/projecteurope.bsky.social/post/3lbemzvitz22j

    Ship trackers report it set sail from Ust-Luga in Russia, with a reported destination of Port Said in Egypt. Lots of chatter that the ship's Captain is Russian, but no hard evidence for that yet

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  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    @stefeman said: There was no storm in the previous one.

    /

    According to the Chinese-language report, the accident was caused by a strong storm.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2024

    @egoror said: Because there's nobody to accuse of, underwater cables are being cut by anchors left and right.

    Yeah, right... A volcano here and there, but anchors? And 2 of them? You might believe in the coincidences but I don't.

    @stefeman said: Even Merkel had more manhood than this current Olaf Scholz.

    Certainly more than Schroeder...

    Leaving politics aside, what is the answer to this tactic? Redundancy over redundancy? New Elon constellation for carriers? Should we expect less cockiness from DTAG and the like?

  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    @Maounique said: A volcano here and there, but anchors? And 2 of them? You might believe in the coincidences but I don't.

    70% of underwater cable accidents are 'anchor cut', and they are happening about 1-2 or more times per month worldwide.

    And 2 of them?

    What about three
    https://subtelforum.com/vietnam-internet-disruptions-as-three-submarine-cables-fail/

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  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    @CloudHopper said: ots of chatter that the ship's Captain is Russian

    I've traced the chatter to this record from Russian port.

    I might be wrong here but "Pilot" is not captain, it's the local guy who helps captain to navigate the port or waters or whatnot.

  • People seem to not realize how many ships are there at any given moment and think cable cuts are testing the boundaries of probability theory.

  • @egoror said:
    I might be wrong here but "Pilot" is not captain, it's the local guy who helps captain to navigate the port or waters or whatnot.

    That's my understanding of a 'pilot' in shipping terms too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_pilot

    And you'd expect a Russian to 'pilot' a ship out of Russian waters because it's a job that requires local knowledge.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2024

    @egoror said:

    @Maounique said: A volcano here and there, but anchors? And 2 of them? You might believe in the coincidences but I don't.

    70% of underwater cable accidents are 'anchor cut', and they are happening about 1-2 or more times per month worldwide.

    And 2 of them?

    What about three
    https://subtelforum.com/vietnam-internet-disruptions-as-three-submarine-cables-fail/

    How many in Europe before 2022?

  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    @Maounique said: How many in Europe before 2022?

    Who knows, no one has paid attention, and finding anything specific right now is impossible because of all the white noise about recent event in search engines. Before it got politized it was a simple engineering task. It takes only 1-2 weeks to fix these. Worldwide statistics are 1-2 avg., sometimes more, cable cuts per month.

  • @CloudHopper said: And you'd expect a Russian to 'pilot' a ship out of Russian waters because it's a job that requires local knowledge.

    Yeah the 'pilot' guy probably left the ship long before the incident. We'll see.

  • un_usedun_used Member
    edited November 2024

    @egoror said: People seem to not realize how many ships are there at any given moment and think cable cuts are testing the boundaries of probability theory.

    Let's do maths: https://mathb.in/80217

    Answer: Approximately a 1 in 36 million chance—a probability of about 2.7 × 10^(–8) for three breaks in one day.

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  • I'm losing brain cells when I see Poisson without any reasoning for lambda value.

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  • To many comments .... I am just here to see who did it. Can someone confirm ?

  • @Caztiel said: who did it

    So far it is Chinese ship

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  • @egoror said:

    @Caztiel said: who did it

    So far it is Chinese ship

  • @CloudHopper said:
    Apparently the suspect ship has now been stopped and boarded by the Danish navy.
    https://bsky.app/profile/projecteurope.bsky.social/post/3lbemzvitz22j

    Ship trackers report it set sail from Ust-Luga in Russia, with a reported destination of Port Said in Egypt. Lots of chatter that the ship's Captain is Russian, but no hard evidence for that yet

    https://defence24.com/armed-forces/danish-navy-stopped-a-chinese-ship-suspected-of-damaging-undersea-cables

    https://gcaptain.com/details-of-baltic-sea-cable-incident-remain-murky-as-danish-navy-shadows-chinese-vessel/

    looking forward for danish update i guess

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  • @egoror said:

    @Caztiel said: who did it

    So far it is Chinese ship

    Which was in russian ownership less than month ago.

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  • @stefeman said: Which was in russian ownership less than month ago.

    I haven't seen any evidence of that.

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  • @egoror said: I'm losing brain cells when I see Poisson without any reasoning for lambda value.

    Try clicking the URL, it's all there.

    3. Using the Poisson Distribution:

    Because cable breaks are rare and occur independently, we can model the number of cable breaks per day as a Poisson distribution with rate ( \lambda = 0.00548 ).

    The probability of observing ( k ) events in a Poisson distribution is:
    [ P(k; \lambda) = \frac{e^{-\lambda} \lambda^k}{k!} ]

    We need to find ( P(3; 0.00548) ).

    4. Calculating the Probability:

    • ( \lambda = 0.00548 ).
    • ( k = 3 ).
    • ( e^{-\lambda} \approx e^{-0.00548} \approx 1 - 0.00548 = 0.99452 ) (since ( \lambda ) is very small).
    • ( \lambda^3 = (0.00548)^3 \approx 164.566 \times 10^{-9} ).
    • ( 3! = 6 ).

    Now compute:
    [ P(3; 0.00548) = \frac{0.99452 \times 164.566 \times 10^{-9}}{6} ]

    Simplifying:
    [ P(3; 0.00548) = \frac{163.664178 \times 10^{-9}}{6} \approx 27.277363 \times 10^{-9} ]

    [ P(3; 0.00548) \approx 0.0000000273 ]

    5. Interpreting the Result:

    • The probability is approximately ( 2.73 \times 10^{-8} ).
    • This means there's about a 1 in 36 million chance (since ( \frac{1}{2.73 \times 10^{-8}} \approx 36,630,037 )).

    **Answer: Approximately a 1 in 36 million chance—a probability of about 2.7 × 10^(–8) for three breaks in one day.

  • @egoror said: I'm losing brain cells when I see Poisson without any reasoning for lambda value.

    Try clicking the URL, it's all there.

    1. Average Daily Cable Breaks Globally:

    • There are approximately 200 undersea cable breaks globally per year.
    • Number of days in a year ≈ 365.
    • Average breaks per day globally: ( \frac{200 \text{ breaks}}{365 \text{ days}} \approx 0.548 \text{ breaks/day} ).

    2. Estimating Cable Breaks in the Baltic Sea:

    • To find how many breaks occur in the Baltic Sea, we need to estimate the proportion of cables in the Baltic Sea compared to the global total.
    • Let's assume the Baltic Sea contains about 1% of the world's undersea cables (this is a rough estimate for the purpose of calculation).
    • Therefore, expected breaks per year in the Baltic Sea: ( 1\% \times 200 = 2 \text{ breaks/year} ).
    • Average breaks per day in the Baltic Sea: ( \frac{2 \text{ breaks}}{365 \text{ days}} \approx 0.00548 \text{ breaks/day} ).

    3. Using the Poisson Distribution:

    Because cable breaks are rare and occur independently, we can model the number of cable breaks per day as a Poisson distribution with rate ( \lambda = 0.00548 ).

    The probability of observing ( k ) events in a Poisson distribution is:
    [ P(k; \lambda) = \frac{e^{-\lambda} \lambda^k}{k!} ]

    We need to find ( P(3; 0.00548) ).

    4. Calculating the Probability:

    • ( \lambda = 0.00548 ).
    • ( k = 3 ).
    • ( e^{-\lambda} \approx e^{-0.00548} \approx 1 - 0.00548 = 0.99452 ) (since ( \lambda ) is very small).
    • ( \lambda^3 = (0.00548)^3 \approx 164.566 \times 10^{-9} ).
    • ( 3! = 6 ).

    Now compute:
    [ P(3; 0.00548) = \frac{0.99452 \times 164.566 \times 10^{-9}}{6} ]

    Simplifying:
    [ P(3; 0.00548) = \frac{163.664178 \times 10^{-9}}{6} \approx 27.277363 \times 10^{-9} ]

    [ P(3; 0.00548) \approx 0.0000000273 ]

    5. Interpreting the Result:

    • The probability is approximately ( 2.73 \times 10^{-8} ).
    • This means there's about a 1 in 36 million chance (since ( \frac{1}{2.73 \times 10^{-8}} \approx 36,630,037 )).

    **Answer: Approximately a 1 in 36 million chance—a probability of about 2.7 × 10^(–8) for three breaks in one day.

  • @un_used said: Because cable breaks are rare and occur independently, we can model the number of cable breaks per day as a Poisson distribution with rate ( \lambda = 0.00548 ).

    This

    Average Daily Cable Breaks Globally:
        There are approximately 200 undersea cable breaks globally per year.
        Number of days in a year ≈ 365.
        Average breaks per day globally:
    2. Estimating Cable Breaks in the Baltic Sea:
    
        To find how many breaks occur in the Baltic Sea, we need to estimate the proportion of cables in the Baltic Sea compared to the global total.
        Let's assume the Baltic Sea contains about 1% of the world's undersea cables (this is a rough estimate for the purpose of calculation).
        Therefore, expected breaks per year in the Baltic Sea: .
    Average breaks per day in the Baltic Sea:
    

    is a usual AI bullsh*t. My eyes bleed now. Unrelated events + "rough estimate" AI numbers = "evidence".

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  • un_usedun_used Member
    edited November 2024

    @egoror said: My eyes bleed now.

    Sorry that facts do that to you :D

  • @ScreenReader said:

    @CloudHopper said:
    Apparently the suspect ship has now been stopped and boarded by the Danish navy.
    https://bsky.app/profile/projecteurope.bsky.social/post/3lbemzvitz22j

    Ship trackers report it set sail from Ust-Luga in Russia, with a reported destination of Port Said in Egypt. Lots of chatter that the ship's Captain is Russian, but no hard evidence for that yet

    https://defence24.com/armed-forces/danish-navy-stopped-a-chinese-ship-suspected-of-damaging-undersea-cables

    https://gcaptain.com/details-of-baltic-sea-cable-incident-remain-murky-as-danish-navy-shadows-chinese-vessel/

    looking forward for danish update i guess

    The investigation is being led by Sweden, so I don’t think either Denmark or Norway, who are assisting, will say anything.

    Other ships are also being investigated, and there is a separate Finnish investigation as well.

    I think it will be a few days before Sweden reveals anything.

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  • I'm so done.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited November 2024

    @TimboJones said:
    [the usual personal attacks and nonsense]

    /ignore - because I'm pleased that already before your amok run the thread had multiple posts directly relating to this thread's TOPIC. So, no comment and /ignore you.

  • @Arkas how long is the first ban usually?

    I need to calculate if I wanna say my next joke or not.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @stefeman said: I need to calculate if I wanna say my next joke or not.

    No one is going to ban you for a joke. Just make sure it isn't racist please :smile:

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