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Hetzner Outage: Finland - Germany C-Lion cable is cut. (We all know who did it).

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @bokuyaba said:
    I rarely see posts about Hetzner, but now that there are some, it seems like they're not actually discussing Hetzner itself... As a Hetzner user, I feel a tinge of sadness.

    To be honest, since Finland is the most affected as of now, and 90 % of LET users servers in Finland is with Hetzner, this is basically a Hetzner story

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  • EndlessGravityEndlessGravity Member

    Wild claims that this was allegedly the first time this submarine was cut. I remember well that there was plenty of disruptions before, some of which you can even find with Google: https://status.hetzner.com/incident/de97a4ef-deb6-416e-92a7-9264d160519a

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  • 2oldheroes2oldheroes Member

    @stefeman said:

    @Neoon said:

    @stefeman said:
    Another cable cut between Sweden and Lithuania just now.

    https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/aa87d708-cf00-48fe-9d44-f6eeca621172

    https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2416006/undersea-cable-between-lithuania-and-sweden-damaged-telia

    Edit: seems to be NordBalt cable

    Well at this point.

    Its so fucking dumb I have no words at this point. Putin could probly gas half of his country to death and the useful idiots here would argue that hes saving them from suffering instead.

    turdie gonna be turdie, imagine talk sense to turdie scalpers or basement dwelling schizo tech bros

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @jsg said:

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:

    @jsg said:

    @stefeman said:
    Its so fucking dumb I have no words at this point. Putin could probly gas half of his country to death and the useful idiots here would argue that hes saving them from suffering instead.

    Do you or do you not have any solid evidence for Russia being involved?

    If not then I suggest to treat the question "who has done it?" as open and to stop insinuating that Russia (or whoever) has done it and first try to find out what exactly happened in the first place.

    Don't you find it funny that I don't even need to mention the suspect country before page 2 of this thread and everyone can immediately name the annoyance who has enough time to do shit like this.

    No, I don't find that funny. The reason is simple: there have been more than plenty wild - and usually baseless - accusations and insinuations against Russia.

    Fact, to the best of my knowledge, is however that there is no evidence whatsoever suggesting who was behind it. Hell, we even don't know yet what exactly has happened. Is the cable cut? The complete cable or just say 2 out of 4 fibers? Or has it only been damaged and if so, what kind of damage?

    All we have so far (afaik) is that some measurements indicate a problem in the cable and highly likely meanwhile some optical TDR data are available and hence the (more or less) precise location of the cable problem/damage is known - not (yet) to us though.

    In other words, we neither know with some precision what has happened nor where exactly it has happened, let alone who is behind it - or even if there has been some intentional manipulation at all.

    So, no basis at all for "certain country" speculation. In your own interest too btw. because imagine how (not only) you'd look like if say, it was a plain stupid accident like some fishing vessel carelessly drag-netting on the sea floor, maybe even a finnish one ...

    How much rubles do you get paid for posting on LET?

    And how many $$ do you get paid for your helpless and clumsy attempts to smear Russia?

    Do you have facts or solid evidence? Nope, you don't. Bless your heart.

    Russian spy ships have been caught several times mapping undersea infrastructure with their AIS (Automatic Identification System) disconnected.

    It is common for naval ships to escort Russian spy ships out of territorial waters in countries across the region. Similarly, our air force regularly escorts Russian military aircraft away from our airspace.

    Russia has also jammed GPS signals in the area on multiple occasions.

    When we closed our harbors to Russian ships, the last Russian vessel to enter (a rusty, old ship) failed to stop as it approached the Danish harbor, causing some damage.

    No other country engages in these kinds of provocations, so it is only natural that everyone suspects Russia.

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  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    There's no point in damaging something that can be repaired in 5-15 days. Underwater cables failure rate is 1-2 or more cables per month worldwide, sometimes three cables can fail at the same time - but who cares if it's Vietnam, right.
    https://subtelforum.com/vietnam-internet-disruptions-as-three-submarine-cables-fail/

    Let's stop theorizing and just wait for results.

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  • KebabKebab Member

    Lithuania-Sweden line was also cut, so it's clear who did it.

    https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2416006/undersea-cable-between-lithuania-and-sweden-damaged-telia

  • stefemanstefeman Member

    https://bsky.app/profile/pekka.bsky.social/post/3lbb25mr3vc2a

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited November 2024

    https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000010844896.html

    Some kind of announcement soon. roughly 30 minutes.

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @xvps said:
    No other country engages in these kinds of provocations, so it is only natural that everyone suspects Russia.

    Everyone = EC, USA, UK and dependent countries.

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @Kebab said:
    Lithuania-Sweden line was also cut, so it's clear who did it.

    https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2416006/undersea-cable-between-lithuania-and-sweden-damaged-telia

    Very simple logic which confirms that the USA destroyed Nord Streams.

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  • KebabKebab Member

    @rustelekom said:

    @xvps said:
    No other country engages in these kinds of provocations, so it is only natural that everyone suspects Russia.

    Everyone = EC, USA, UK and dependent countries.

    You got some examples of any other country blatantly jamming GPS? This is not the first time fiber was cut in the baltic sea after sightings of russian ships.

  • coldcold Member
    edited November 2024

    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @Kebab said:

    @rustelekom said:

    @xvps said:
    No other country engages in these kinds of provocations, so it is only natural that everyone suspects Russia.

    Everyone = EC, USA, UK and dependent countries.

    You got some examples of any other country blatantly jamming GPS?

    **This is not the first time fiber was cut in the baltic sea after sightings of russian ships. **

    I haven't seen any real evidence. Only unsubstantiated statements from Western media and politicians.

    Regards GPS - that is Global Positioning System developed by USA and operated by the United States Space Force. Russia has the full right to do whatever it needs on its own territory, including fighting GPS signals. Unfortunately, it is not possible to deal with GPS point-by-point. Therefore, in Moscow, we cannot use navigation systems if they use GPS in some areas. This is unfortunate collateral damage.

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  • EndlessGravityEndlessGravity Member

    @rustelekom said:
    Regards GPS - that is Global Positioning System developed by USA and operated by the United States Space Force. Russia has the full right to do whatever it needs on its own territory, including fighting GPS signals. Unfortunately, it is not possible to deal with GPS point-by-point. Therefore, in Moscow, we cannot use navigation systems if they use GPS in some areas. This is unfortunate collateral damage.

    Actually, at the moment GPS is being spoofed in Moscow. For example, if you are on a highway near Khimki, most navigation apps will position you at SVO.

    @stefeman said:
    https://bsky.app/profile/pekka.bsky.social/post/3lbb25mr3vc2a

    Let's hear more of your racist commentary and "we all know who did it" please. 🤡

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @cold said:
    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

    Sir, this is Fiber not cooper.

  • maverickmaverick Member

    @Neoon said:

    @cold said:
    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

    Sir, this is Fiber not cooper.

    Imagine their surprise when they figured it out, too. So much work for nothing. :D

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @maverick said:

    @Neoon said:

    @cold said:
    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

    Sir, this is Fiber not cooper.

    Imagine their surprise when they figured it out, too. So much work for nothing. :D

    Must be the same sub that blew up Nord Stream 2.

  • coldcold Member

    @Neoon said:

    @cold said:
    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

    Sir, this is Fiber not cooper.

    Sir, how do you know that? please return the Fiber to Hetzner

    Thanked by 2egoror emgh
  • CloudHopperCloudHopper Member

    Some OSINT people seem to have evidence that it was a Chinese ship: https://bsky.app/profile/garygnutter.bsky.social/post/3lbcqy7wk222j

    The EU is calling it sabotage: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/sabotage-undersea-cables-cut-baltic-sea-intl/index.html

    The EU is refusing to say China did it. Everybody is saying Russia did it. Russia is happy people think they did it because they're too sh*t to do it, but the Chinese don't care because it's done and nobody dares to blame them for doing it

  • xvpsxvps Member
    edited November 2024

    The Chinese ship Yi Peng 3, which has been in Russia (Laukaansuu Harbor) and was spotted near both of the severed cables in the Baltic Sea, is currently being escorted out of Danish territory. This ship, along with others, is under investigation by authorities in NATO countries for potential sabotage. Another Chinese vessel is the prime suspect in similar sabotage of another Finnish cable last year.

    It’s starting to seem like Russia wants NATO to babysit all vessels in the Baltic Sea traveling to and from Russia. Additionally, it appears that Russia might be seeking stricter regulations that would make it harder for their shadow fleet to operate in the Baltic Sea. This could also prevent them and their partners from having their LNG ships serviced in high-quality shipyards located in NATO countries, as they currently do.

    EU politicians have been discussing replacing Russian LNG with LNG from the US for some time. This kind of sabotage in EU/NATO countries might accelerate the process and trigger a new round of sanctions.

    @Maounique, how significant do you think the impact on the Russian economy would be if Russia could no longer have its ships (regardless of their registration) serviced in EU/NATO countries, and if they also lost their LNG sales to the remaining EU countries that still purchase from them?

  • stefemanstefeman Member

    @CloudHopper said:
    Some OSINT people seem to have evidence that it was a Chinese ship: https://bsky.app/profile/garygnutter.bsky.social/post/3lbcqy7wk222j

    The EU is calling it sabotage: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/sabotage-undersea-cables-cut-baltic-sea-intl/index.html

    The EU is refusing to say China did it. Everybody is saying Russia did it. Russia is happy people think they did it because they're too sh*t to do it, but the Chinese don't care because it's done and nobody dares to blame them for doing it

    Everyone fears China more than they do Russia.

    Suppose China decides to go with North Korea's Juche ideology, and take some loss as well, half of the companies in the world are gonna directly collapse because absolutely everything is still made in China. Let's not even get started about it's military, economic collapse alone is more fearful than Russia using few nukes in Ukraine or EU.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited November 2024

    @xvps said:

    @Maounique, how significant do you think the impact on the Russian economy would be if Russia could no longer have its ships (regardless of their registration) serviced in EU/NATO countries, and if they also lost their LNG sales to the remaining EU countries that still purchase from them?

    You did not ask me, but about zero.

    Theres plenty of countries willing to serve them around asia and middle east and south america and africa. And they can handle themselves in EU.

    Which country in EU still uses Russian LNG gas from ships?

  • egororegoror Member

    Ok, yet another chinese chip dropping anchor in a storm.

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  • xvpsxvps Member

    @stefeman said:
    Which country in EU still uses Russian LNG gas from ships?

    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/russia-still-second-largest-gas-provider-eu-after-norway-lng-imports-increasing
    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/germany-rejects-vessel-carrying-russian-arctic-lng-continues-indirect-imports-eu-neighbors

  • rdesrdes Member
    edited November 2024

    There's no connection between Hetzner in Finland and OVH right now:

     Host                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. static.X.X.X.X.clients.your-server.de                                                                                                                                                                                                  0.0%     8    0.3   0.4   0.3   0.8   0.2
 2. core32.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                    14.3%     7    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.4   0.0
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 4. core32.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                    83.3%     7    0.3   0.3   0.3   0.3   0.0
 5. (waiting for reply)
 6. (waiting for reply)
 7. juniper4.dc1.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                              83.3%     7    3.1   3.1   3.1   3.1   0.0
 8. (waiting for reply)
 9. juniper4.dc1.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                              85.7%     7    0.6   0.6   0.6   0.6   0.0
10. (waiting for reply)
11. juniper4.dc1.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                              83.3%     7    0.5   0.5   0.5   0.5   0.0
12. (waiting for reply)
13. juniper4.dc1.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                              66.7%     7    0.5   0.6   0.5   0.7   0.1
14. core32.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                    83.3%     7    0.4   0.4   0.4   0.4   0.0
15. juniper4.dc1.hel1.hetzner.com                                                                                                                                                                                                              83.3%     7    1.0   1.0   1.0   1.0   0.0
16. (waiting for reply)
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  • OhJohnOhJohn Member
    edited November 2024

    @rdes said: There's no connection between Hetzner in Finland and OVH right now:

    Can confirm from multiple OVH dc. Other providers still can connect to Hetzner HEL.

    Edit: to be more precise: can confirm for OVH in European dcs as well as Canada and OVH US Dcs.. Asian DCs (where OVH colos) can still connect to Hetzner HEL.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @OhJohn said:

    @rdes said: There's no connection between Hetzner in Finland and OVH right now:

    Can confirm from multiple OVH dc. Other providers still can connect to Hetzner HEL.

    Edit: to be more precise: can confirm for OVH in European dcs as well as Canada and OVH US Dcs.. Asian DCs (where OVH colos) can still connect to Hetzner HEL.

    Can also confirm

    65.109.73.2

    https://looking.house/point.php?id=52

  • OhJohnOhJohn Member

    I'm sure OVH is trying everything they can to stop bots hosted in Hetzner HEL to hammer their Kimsufi API.

    /s

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @cold said:

    @Neoon said:

    @cold said:
    Romas stole the cable, melted it, and sold the cooper! they do it all the time

    Sir, this is Fiber not cooper.

    Sir, how do you know that? please return the Fiber to Hetzner

    Thanked by 3egoror TimboJones cold
  • conceptconcept Member

    Can still connect to PulsedMedia from Germany. It just goes through DE-CIX or Sweden

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