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[Homeserver] second hand pc or single board computer

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  • Sincerely I would go with any VPS in the market if money is an issue.

  • @Arkas said:
    Why not consider a Dell optiplex (or HP equivalent SFF PC)? MUCH cheaper and better performance and software compatibility and easy to expand. They are dirt cheap. Trade off? Power consumption.

    Are they not noisy as well? Especially the tiny/mini ones? I've never had one but given the form factor and the "full size" CPU, I'm wondering.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @fredo1664 said: Are they not noisy as well? Especially the tiny/mini ones? I've never had one but given the form factor and the "full size" CPU, I'm wondering.

    I have 2, no noise issue.

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  • davidedavide Member
    edited November 2024

    @Arkas said:
    Why not consider a Dell optiplex (or HP equivalent SFF PC)? MUCH cheaper and better performance and software compatibility and easy to expand. They are dirt cheap. Trade off? Power consumption.

    I know that Dell is cheap in America, but in Italy anything Dell, HP or Supermicro has to be imported from Germany. No one owns or sells them locally. And the German prices are higher too, then the hauling adds some more. My last Xeon CPUs came from Israel. I guess all patrons from southern or eastern Europe are in the same shit.

  • egororegoror Member
    edited November 2024

    @kevinds said: I didn't know they were that high.

    It's a max wattage Apple provides here.
    I haven't seen that number personally irl.

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @egoror said:
    It's a max wattage Apple provides

    So that is the maximum then, not estimated..

  • @kevinds said: So that is the maximum then, not estimated..

    Well I guess hosters estimate their future expenses using the worst possible use case.
    In reality as a home server it's mostly idling at around 2-4W of course, as I've already mentioned.

  • zmeuzmeu Member
    edited November 2024

    @egoror I just got an Mac mini i7-2014 - as you know and what people are keep saying on forums about this units, it have a lot issues but I am surprised how does it works actually. It's very silent, no hot CPU, version with SSD and Fusion drive with full RAMs. I might think it was used only for Office things and it perform pretty good for a 10-year old unit. If you don't expect to play an Ultra 4K video and go with 1440p on that units then is pretty decent for a few tasks. :smile: In Romania those units are supra evaluated and sold for more than it should be - but I finded a good price from a company and I am gonna buy more. :smiley:

  • @Blembim said:
    What are your ideas?

    Probably look at the used machines like Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny (their smallest mini PC in the line-up).

    If you have something like eBay, those machines can be sold pretty cheap by some large companies when they upgrade their fleet.

    Thanked by 1Blembim
  • @zmeu said: I just got an Mac mini i7-2014

    Congrats, nice homelab machine.
    I'd not expect any issues with it, imo just split fusion drive into two, replace hdd with sata ssd and it will probably last like forever.

    Thanked by 1zmeu
  • There 2 option(s) based on my experience living on Asia
    1. AMD Athlon 3000g with air cooler build which you can find easily cheap and replace-able, its still nice for 4k transcoding, you dont need worrying hassle work with ARM
    2. Orange Pi have 1 x m.2 slot NVME if you okay sacrifice port for more power efficiency
    I have pretty hard to find n100 or simillar low-power cpu on here unless i need pay 400$ which not consider low-end.

    Thanked by 1Blembim
  • @ailice said: I have pretty hard to find n100 or simillar low-power cpu

    n100 builds are like all over aliexpress, how come it's hard to find in asia.

  • @egoror said:
    n100 builds are like all over aliexpress, how come it's hard to find in asia.

    Unfortunately aliexpress was banned on my country, also there no local marketplace trying to sell it, there only well-known other option like RPI, Raxda or HardKernel for ARM option.

    Also for x86-side, even older 4~8th generation intel mini pc/sff was still sell on surprisingly not cheap.

    Oh yeah, someone mention Raxda X4 which pretty option if you can catch stock.

  • @egoror said: Congrats, nice homelab machine.

    Thanks.

    I will colo them, for those who does it likes to play with Macs in Cloud and instead of using SSD I'll try with an NVMe on that PCIe slot.

  • Why don‘t you colocate the machine in a datacenter? You have numerous options in Asia!
    Check here:
    https://sbc-dc.pages.dev/

  • because the price are more high than keeping in your own basement ? :-)

  • @MarkLuun said: Why don‘t you colocate the machine in a datacenter?

    Privacy concerns mostly for me, e.g. immich isn't supposed to be exposed to Internet nor does it have any encryption-at-rest.

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    I've bought a used i3-3220T mini pc with 8 GB of ram for around 20$ and replaced the 500GB HDD it came with a 256 GB ssd running as a router and home server with proxmox installed.

    OPNSense instance with schedulers and traffic pipes to limit the speed for guests, family etc.. Also has wireguard kernel module which connects to all my low end machines in a site to site config, so I can access all my computers and servers behind the LANs. As the mini PC has only one ethernet port I've a 5 port 1gbps switch configured in different VLANs for different networks for guests, families etc..

    Couple of LXC containers which hosts a mail server and also ospos server.

    Power consumption is very low around 9wH when idle and around 30-40 when something heavy-duty runs.

    Thanked by 1Blembim
  • Thanks for everyone's opinions! I've read them all. Here's a little update on what I ended up with.

    I ended up with a used Intel NUC i3gen7 from 2017, it has 2 cores and 4 threads, the fan is very quiet and the TDP is just 15W! They're not so powerful but this might be enough for my use case.

    I want to post some YABS here, but geekbench seems to be broken in Alpine Linux.

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited November 2024

    Which country are you in? In the USA you can usually find HP ProDesk or EliteDesk SFF or mini with 9th or 10th gen Core i5 for less than US$200 on ebay. A bit more expensive in Europe, but good deals are still doable if you look on sites that ewaste recyclers use to sell old ex-office PCs (that's usually ebay in the USA).

    Depending on electricity price, a VPS may end up cheaper over the long run.

  • @Daniel15 said:
    Which country are you in? In the USA you can usually find HP ProDesk or EliteDesk SFF or mini with 9th or 10th gen Core i5 for less than US$200 on ebay. A bit more expensive in Europe, but good deals are still doable if you look on sites that ewaste recyclers use to sell old ex-office PCs (that's usually ebay in the USA).

    Depending on electricity price, a VPS may end up cheaper over the long run.

    I'm in asia, specifically Thailand. 2nd hand HP ProDesk and EliteDesk are generally not over 100USD on Facebook Market. Kind of cheap but the electricity here is not cheap plus FT and VAT stuff. And yeah most of the time i'd use VPS but i'm looking for a local node for syncthing.

  • @fredo1664 said:

    @Arkas said:
    Why not consider a Dell optiplex (or HP equivalent SFF PC)? MUCH cheaper and better performance and software compatibility and easy to expand. They are dirt cheap. Trade off? Power consumption.

    Are they not noisy as well? Especially the tiny/mini ones? I've never had one but given the form factor and the "full size" CPU, I'm wondering.

    I have a HP Elitedesk as workstation and I've never heard a sound from it. It does have an i7 so I suppose there is a fan in it, but I've never heard it.
    I also have a Dell Optiplex running as a Plex server, cant remember ever hearing a sound from that one either.

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