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Well, he's trolling bloody obviously! And he doesn't give a flying fuck about transparency and honesty; that's why he continues to ignore my question regarding himself and his funny games!
Re. the topic itself: hell, even people from the wordpress clown's inner circle are distancing themselves from him, publicly criticize him as he went very obviously amok.
btw, IMO one winner in that private war is people who (like me) dislike the gpl, especially versions > 2, because obviously it weighs little to nothing if you put it in large letters on your chest but not only does not really protect developers but in fact can lead to their work being stolen, abused, turned into a weapon - incl against themselves.
"winning" because one, albeit side, effect of the clown's amok run is that developers are likely to think again about the gpl virality and the - very, very smelly - truth they get to see now.
I don't know why you keep trying to bring up Xeon or Ryzen when it's a completely different thing.
But I'm just going to assume you are trolling at this point.
You will figure it out eventually, I believe in you my man.
Keep me posted. Meanwhile at least read up on the topic so you don't write stuff like this anymore.
Welp. let me break it down for you so it's easier for you to understand.
If Intel or AMD ever decides to sell hosting, you can bet with your wallet that they will sue whichever company is trying to sell "Xeon Hosting" or "Ryzen Hosting"
Is that clear enough for you, or are you still coping with losing an argument?
But what else are you going to pivot to next? I'm waiting...
Ok I will add the third one to the list of your shenanigans
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Coping, I see
This timeline is the only one worth reading if you are going to read a timeline that isn't biased.
Hahah, which you obviously didn't read, because
Please can you just stop embarrassing yourself, really.
Please can you just stop embarrassing yourself, really.
The fact that you can't make a comment without any personal insult is hilarious. It's like you are trying to save face like what WPE is doing with their little timeline release. Laughable.
@egoror
Friendly advice: stop it! That guy repeatedly simply turned what you said against you and obviously is perceiving this as a fight, he must! not lose. It's not necessary to win but to not lose, to somehow, no matter how transparent "save his face" absolutely is and he'll do everything and anything to that end.
Plus, he obviously is not interested in a discussion, not at all. He's here simply to obtrusively tell his propaganda (he'd call "his view") and he won't accept arguments. Basically see him as a kind of bot who stubbornly spools off what's on the tape.
You seem to be a smart guy and meaning well, so don't engage any more, just let that bot do his thing. It's like a "discussion" with an angry wife. No matter how right you are, how good your arguments are, NOTHING will reach her brain and she'll simply turn everything against you, because she's not driven by something that can be understood rationally, but by some emotional - almost certainly wrong - perception and a "mission" to not give in a single millimeter.
This bot isn't worth your time or attention.
WTF. Matt is now threatening Wordpress plugin developers with stealing their plugins like he did with ACF Advanced Custom Fields if they pull their plugins from wordpress.org https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/s/vBzrry8pZD
Anyone surprised? Really?
The amok run of the clown will be stopped - and possibly himself as well - in one way or another, rather sooner than later.
I think it's time for legal review if plugins are really a 'derivative work' and have to be GPL, because so far WordPress reasoning for it is "trust us bro". If at least some part of plugins can be moved out of GPL (e.g. assets, css, js) developer can always make forceful forks illegal or difficult.
Is this not perfectly legal or is the plugin not gpl?
Matt is going crazy, someone needs to stop him. Did he seriously write this?
https://x.com/WordPress/status/1851891421881782329
and still:
https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/
Nothing magically makes plugins GPL; it's just that they have to be GPL if you want them listed in the .org directory. There are plenty of commercially licensed plugins out there.
Most of them are GPL and some are jumping hoops with parts being GPL. GPL != can't be sold for money.
Yes, it's legal. It's GPL code, and it's his directory so he can do anything he likes with it.
However, it's toxic and makes it increasingly unappealing to contribute anything, unless you're cool with Matt just deciding to forcibly take control and apply his own supply chain attacks.
I never said that; I said there are plenty of plugins outside of GPL, but because of .org's ToS you can't (without hoop jumping) host them there.
(I realise that "commercially licensed" may not have made it clear that I meant "licensed in non-GPL ways)
They have to be GPL not because of .org tos, but because plugins and themes are considered a derivative work of WordPress.
That is not how GPL works; plugins and themes don't include any WordPress code and don't come close to passing any sort of 'derivative' test. And literally the first requirement listed on .org for them listing your plugin / theme is "Your plugin must be compatible with GPL".
GPL has plenty of issues, but the idea that it's so virulent that it infects plugins that interact with GPL code is simply wrong.
Please read up on the topic.
I've been familiar with the topic for literally decades, and I know what WP / Matt assert.
I'm a developer, not a lawyer, but it requires a very interesting interpretation of the GPL, and not one I'd expect to do well in a court.
Given that this started with you questioning .org's traditional claim that they're derivative works, I'm curious why you're arguing against yourself
It's a position supported by the FSF, not just Matt.
I said it was never legally tested and it's about time for review, because GPL is obviously used for forceful takeovers now.
The FSF has some ... strange ideas. Matt has been careful to ask the "right" lawyers to back up his rather over-reaching reading of the GPL.
Again, you're missing the point. .org is taking over plugins that are in their directory, and it's a condition of being in that directory that you have to be GPL. Even if a review (correctly, in my view) concluded that the GPL wasn't that infectious, .org can still demand anything listed with them is GPL.
It doesn't solve the problem.
No, it's a condition of GPL license. Guy who was threatened actually pulled his plugin out of .org directory days prior the threat.
Overall if you do not release your plugin code under GPL there are way more possible complications than just inability to use .org directory. I will cite:
On this I agree.
Maybe it's about time to call wordpress a mental asylum also officially, de facto it obviously already is.
That is just a bunch of FUD you pulled off a 15 year old post on StackOverflow (or someone else did and you just cited them).
All of that is "ooh bad things might happen", mostly about Matt enterprises exacting revenge on you. None of it has anything to do with the actual license.
But at stage it's probably better to agree to differ
It's not FUD, the story is all around the internet, I've simply picked the top google result. You can try making WP plugin that's not GPL and tell us what happens and how are the sales going.
Not only Matt, FSF too. "WP themes and plugins are derivative work" is fully backed by FSF and Software Freedom Law Center. But there are exclusions. Assets and styles shouldn't be. So what we need is a legal solution for adhering to WP GPL while keeping enough of the app under other license to not let forceful takeovers. Also would be nice to get a real court test of "derivative work" claim.
It actually is because GPL license is what's allowing Matt to execute a perfectly legal revenge on you and make other people/orgs ignore you