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[Latest DRAMA] WP Engine is banned from using WordPress.org as from September 25th

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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @M66B said: Whose product? That of Matt of decades ago, or the GPLv2 licensed community product, free to use for whatever you want?

    >

    Sure, the code of WP is GPL. But the IP isn't

    That's the part you are trying to ignore.

    You can't open a restaurant call McDonald's Burger and Fries and uses the recipe you found online and claim you have nothing to do with the real McDonald's

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: and who is this "Matt" person?

    Smh

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: Smh

    Smh

  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: Whose product? That of Matt of decades ago, or the GPLv2 licensed community product, free to use for whatever you want?

    >

    Sure, the code of WP is GPL. But the IP isn't

    That's the part you are trying to ignore.

    You can't open a restaurant call McDonald's Burger and Fries and uses the recipe you found online and claim you have nothing to do with the real McDonald's

    Do you mean the IP of Matt or the community?

    And no, I'm not trying to ignore anything. My opinion is that Matt doesn't own WordPress, but that it is owned by the community.

  • egororegoror Member
    edited October 2024

    @lonea said: McDonald's Burger

    You really need to do some homework first before discussing all this

    Trademarks owned by the WordPress Foundation
Word Marks

    The “WordPress” word mark
    The “WordCamp” word mark (owned by WordPress Community Support, PBC – a subsidiary of the WordPress Foundation)
    The “BuddyPress” word mark
    The “Openverse” word mark
    The “WP-CLI” word mark

    https://wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy/

    Same paragraph from the same page before this conflict (still available in archive)

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks and you are free to use it in any way you see fit.

    And after the conflict started

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks, but please don’t use it in a way that confuses people. For example, many people think WP Engine is “WordPress Engine” and officially associated with WordPress, which it’s not. They have never once even donated to the WordPress Foundation, despite making billions of revenue on top of WordPress.

    So 'Matt person' simply changed the rules on the go and no, 'WP' is not trademarked.

    Hope this answers your questions.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited October 2024

    @lonea

    How about telling us first why you create the impression of being a Host Rep when you yourself clearly said that you do not own, operate, or work for a hosting provider?

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2024

    @M66B said: Do you mean the IP of Matt or the community?

    And no, I'm not trying to ignore anything. My opinion is that Matt doesn't own WordPress, but that it is owned by the community.

    Mmmmm. your opinion don't matter tho nor the court of public opinion . It's what the court of law says.

    I'm willing to bet my money that he does own Wordpress and it's IP and that's why WPE is trying to send him legal letters.

    WPE's case is on such shaky grounds that they need to rebrand themselves as WP Engine instead of "WordPress Engine"

    “WP Engine is a proud member and supporter of the community of WordPress® users. The WordPress® trademark is the intellectual property of the WordPress Foundation, and the Woo® and WooCommerce® trademarks are the intellectual property of WooCommerce, Inc. Uses of the WordPress®, Woo®, and WooCommerce® names in this website are for identification purposes only and do not imply an endorsement by WordPress Foundation or WooCommerce, Inc. WP Engine is not endorsed or owned by, or affiliated with, the WordPress Foundation or WooCommerce, Inc,” the updated description on the site read.

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    But, that's just my opinion.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said:

    @lonea said: McDonald's Burger

    You really need to do some homework first before discussing all this

    Trademarks owned by the WordPress Foundation
Word Marks

    The “WordPress” word mark
    The “WordCamp” word mark (owned by WordPress Community Support, PBC – a subsidiary of the WordPress Foundation)
    The “BuddyPress” word mark
    The “Openverse” word mark
    The “WP-CLI” word mark

    https://wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy/

    Same paragraph from the same page before this conflict (still available in archive)

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks and you are free to use it in any way you see fit.

    And after the conflict started

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks, but please don’t use it in a way that confuses people. For example, many people think WP Engine is “WordPress Engine” and officially associated with WordPress, which it’s not. They have never once even donated to the WordPress Foundation, despite making billions of revenue on top of WordPress.

    So 'Matt person' simply changed the rules on the go and no, 'WP' is not trademarked.

    Hope this answers your questions.

    Here you go, in case you missed this.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1ftg581/finally_wp_engine_updates_its_site_and_removes/

  • ahnlakahnlak Member

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: Do you mean the IP of Matt or the community?

    And no, I'm not trying to ignore anything. My opinion is that Matt doesn't own WordPress, but that it is owned by the community.

    Mmmmm. your opinion don't matter tho not the court of public opinion . It's what the court of law says.

    I'm willing to bet my money that he does own Wordpress and it's IP and that's why WPE is trying to send him legal letters.

    WPE's case is on such shaky grounds that they need to rebrand themselves as WP Engine instead of "WordPress Engine"

    I can only assume you're new to this topic (and possibly this planet) - WP Engine has always been branded as WP Engine (not least because WP.org's trademark rules have always made it clear that people were entirely free to use "WP" in the context of flinging WordPress-based services).

    Are you by any chance Matt? Because you're making about as much sense.

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  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @ahnlak said:

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: Do you mean the IP of Matt or the community?

    And no, I'm not trying to ignore anything. My opinion is that Matt doesn't own WordPress, but that it is owned by the community.

    Mmmmm. your opinion don't matter tho not the court of public opinion . It's what the court of law says.

    I'm willing to bet my money that he does own Wordpress and it's IP and that's why WPE is trying to send him legal letters.

    WPE's case is on such shaky grounds that they need to rebrand themselves as WP Engine instead of "WordPress Engine"

    I can only assume you're new to this topic (and possibly this planet) - WP Engine has always been branded as WP Engine (not least because WP.org's trademark rules have always made it clear that people were entirely free to use "WP" in the context of flinging WordPress-based services).

    Are you by any chance Matt? Because you're making about as much sense.

    Here, I'll post it here for the third time.

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    LOL

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: Here you go, in case you missed this.

    Are you sure you understand what's written there and in my message?

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: LOL

    'LOL' what exactly, do you understand what 'plan names' is.

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  • ahnlakahnlak Member

    @lonea said:

    @ahnlak said:

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: Do you mean the IP of Matt or the community?

    And no, I'm not trying to ignore anything. My opinion is that Matt doesn't own WordPress, but that it is owned by the community.

    Mmmmm. your opinion don't matter tho not the court of public opinion . It's what the court of law says.

    I'm willing to bet my money that he does own Wordpress and it's IP and that's why WPE is trying to send him legal letters.

    WPE's case is on such shaky grounds that they need to rebrand themselves as WP Engine instead of "WordPress Engine"

    I can only assume you're new to this topic (and possibly this planet) - WP Engine has always been branded as WP Engine (not least because WP.org's trademark rules have always made it clear that people were entirely free to use "WP" in the context of flinging WordPress-based services).

    Are you by any chance Matt? Because you're making about as much sense.

    Here, I'll post it here for the third time.

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    LOL

    You... do realise that's not the name of the company, right?

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  • M66BM66B Veteran
    edited October 2024

    @lonea said:
    I'm willing to bet my money that he does own Wordpress and it's IP and that's why WPE is trying to send him legal letters.

    It would be interesting to see how Matt and WordPress.org relate to each other. If the IP is with Matt, he did forget to pay a lot of taxes. So, this will be double interesting.

    I think your bet is risky, at least, but we'll see.

  • egororegoror Member

    @M66B said: I think your bet is risky

    I think he already owes us a lost bet for 'WP'.

  • M66BM66B Veteran
    edited October 2024

    @egoror said:

    @M66B said: I think your bet is risky

    I think he already owes us a lost bet for 'WP'.

    That's for sure because WP was always explicitly excluded, and Matt cannot all of a sudden change the rules.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said:

    @lonea said: LOL

    'LOL' what exactly, do you understand what 'plan names' is.

    Then why did they bother taking it out from their "plan names" ?

    But here you go, incase you don't read the link you posted.

    https://wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy/

    We’d like to make it hard for anyone to use the WordPress or WordCamp name and logo to unfairly profit from, trick or confuse people who are looking for official WordPress or WordCamp resources.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2024

    @M66B said: That's for sure because WP was always explicitly excluded, and Matt cannot all of a sudden change the rules.

    Don't be selective on your reading because it doesn't fit your narrative. ;)

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    ...

    We’d like to make it hard for anyone to use the WordPress or WordCamp name and logo to unfairly profit from, trick or confuse people who are looking for official WordPress or WordCamp resources.

    So, seems like "Matt" is 1 for 1 so far in terms of this IP misuse.

  • M66BM66B Veteran
    edited October 2024

    @lonea said:

    @egoror said:

    @lonea said: LOL

    'LOL' what exactly, do you understand what 'plan names' is.

    Then why did they bother taking it out from their "plan names" ?

    But here you go, incase you don't read the link you posted.

    https://wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy/

    We’d like to make it hard for anyone to use the WordPress or WordCamp name and logo to unfairly profit from, trick or confuse people who are looking for official WordPress or WordCamp resources.

    .

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks, but please don’t use it in a way that confuses people.

    WP Engine has been there for a rather long time, so even if it confuses people all of a sudden, it is now established right.

    Also, define "confuse". That's rather vague.

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: Then why did they bother taking it out from their "plan names" ?

    Anyone and their mother are using 'WordPress' in plan name, much like you can use 'Xeon' or 'Ryzen' and it's not infringement. They are simply going this far to stay in the 100% clear field of any trademarks owned by Matt now.
    How is it related to company name?

    @lonea said: But here you go, incase you don't read the link you posted.

    Let me go again.

    The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks and you are free to use it in any way you see fit.

  • egororegoror Member

    Ok, @lonea guy either can't read or is trolling.
    Continued conversation is dumb in both cases.

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  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @M66B said: That's for sure because WP was always explicitly excluded, and Matt cannot all of a sudden change the rules.

    Don't be selective on your reading because it doesn't fit your narrative. ;)

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    ...

    We’d like to make it hard for anyone to use the WordPress or WordCamp name and logo to unfairly profit from, trick or confuse people who are looking for official WordPress or WordCamp resources.

    So, seems like "Matt" is 1 for 1 so far in terms of this IP misuse.

    .

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

    On that point you are right, but that was not what it was initially all about, which is that WP Engine must contribute. So, I could say you are selectively bringing forward (unrelated) subjects (but I don't).

  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @egoror said:
    Ok, @lonea guy either can't read or is trolling.
    Continued conversation is dumb in both cases.

    He is not wrong with the WordPress names, but that's not the main issue.

  • egororegoror Member
    edited October 2024

    @M66B said: but that was not what it was initially all about,

    They are simply removing any trademarked words to stay in the clear legal field. Because they are in a legal fight. Using 'WordPress' in plan names is not infringement, it's similar to using 'Xeon' or 'Ryzen' - but lawyers told them to stay clear.

  • egororegoror Member

    @M66B said: He is not wrong with the WordPress names

    He IS wrong and he simply jumped to them after he miserably failed with company name.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: Ok, @lonea guy either can't read or is trolling.

    Continued conversation is dumb in both cases.

    LOL, because I'm clearly talking about WPE using "WordPress" in their plan names which violated Wordpress' policy. From the link you posted.

    Once you saw that you wanted to pivot to another point.

    Yep, conversation with you is dumb.

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  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @egoror said:

    @M66B said: but that was not what it was initially all about,

    They are simply removing any trademarked words to stay in the clear legal field. Because they are in a legal fight. Using 'WordPress' in plan names is not infringement, it's similar to using 'Xeon' or 'Ryzen' - but lawyers told them to stay clear.

    I think too, they want to fight over the real issue and not side stuff like this.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @egoror said: but lawyers told them to stay clear.

    ding ding ding!!!! WPE's lawyer saw the violation.

    ;)

  • M66BM66B Veteran

    @lonea said:

    @egoror said: but lawyers told them to stay clear.

    ding ding ding!!!! WPE's lawyer saw the violation.

    ;)

    If it is a violation is debatable. You're picking one thing, and are trying to prove everything. It doesn't work like that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

  • egororegoror Member

    @lonea said: WPE's lawyer saw the violation.

    No? Do you know how lawyering works?
    Or are you saying you think 'Xeon' or 'Ryzen' on your hosting website is a trademark violation too?

    Man, you literally were saying this

    @lonea said: WPE's case is on such shaky grounds that they need to rebrand themselves as WP Engine instead of "WordPress Engine"

    You've messed up company name with plan names and now you keep playing your weak game clinging on the straw.

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