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  • RFordRFord Member
    edited October 2024

    I didn't know that some data centres are in such high towers. This building apparently had a fire in the 1980s with four floors burnt out and a lift engineer was killed when the lift doors opened on one of the burning floors.

    I worked for the fire service as a civilian decades ago. Having lived in a tower, and bearing in might what happened at Genfell Tower in London a few years ago and of course 911, I completely understand why the fire service took no risks and cut power.

    I just wonder whether low-rise buildings are more suitable as data centres?

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  • @RFord said:
    and bearing in might what happened at Genfell Tower in London a few years ago

    The problem with Grenfell Tower (and a couple since) isn't so much that it's high (although that obviously makes the FD's life harder), but that they put extremely flammable panels on the outside of the building, which caused the fire the spread between floors. Towers are designed to be very good at preventing fires from spreading from floor to floor normally, as there's very thick concrete between each floor, meaning that the only weak points between floors should be the entrance doors to the stairwells and the lift shaft (and maybe plumbing too). In the case of Grenfell, the entire exterior surface was on fire, which meant that windows soon broke from the heat and the fire could spread inwards. Additionally, people were told to stay in their flats because that's supposed to be safer than going out to the stairwells, although obviously in this case that was bad advice.

  • @silicomnet said:
    You should not trust a company that does not make external backups.

    Which is the VPS user in this case.

    You can't expect reliable backups without knowing what you're backing up. That's why database backup software is much more expensive than desktop backup software.

    Thanked by 2RFord Beniskickbutt
  • @ralf said:

    @RFord said:
    and bearing in might what happened at Genfell Tower in London a few years ago

    The problem with Grenfell Tower (and a couple since) isn't so much that it's high (although that obviously makes the FD's life harder), but that they put extremely flammable panels on the outside of the building, which caused the fire the spread between floors. Towers are designed to be very good at preventing fires from spreading from floor to floor normally, as there's very thick concrete between each floor, meaning that the only weak points between floors should be the entrance doors to the stairwells and the lift shaft (and maybe plumbing too). In the case of Grenfell, the entire exterior surface was on fire, which meant that windows soon broke from the heat and the fire could spread inwards. Additionally, people were told to stay in their flats because that's supposed to be safer than going out to the stairwells, although obviously in this case that was bad advice.

    These are the stories to be shared when people whine about regulations and government size. This is exactly what we want our governments to be doing, ensuring engineering is done properly and enforced especially when life is at risk.

    Thanked by 1RFord
  • A good summary. As you say, the intention in those blocks was that any fire would remain contained. Don't know about the US but in the UK the fire service ladders can only reach up about eight floors on the outside. To get much higher they have to climb the stairs.

    Another issue in multi storey buildings is that any water that is hosed into the 60th floor is going to run down somewhere -- maybe onto your datacentre below.

    @ralf said:

    The problem with Grenfell Tower (and a couple since) isn't so much that it's high (although that obviously makes the FD's life harder), but that they put extremely flammable panels on the outside of the building, which caused the fire the spread between floors. Towers are designed to be very good at preventing fires from spreading

  • @yodo said:
    I too got the blank details email, I've now been sent login credentials for a new node.

    Any early black friday deals for those of us who have lost all our data??

    If i'm going to have to go through the effort of starting from scratch and spend a day re-installing, i'd be keen for a deal to upgrade to a better spec'ed vps. (Maybe Ryzen with a decent amount of ram and storage?)

    Ugh another outage, one of my La servers is down

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