L-O-W-E-S-T PRICES EVER down to $0.49/month eff. WITH IPv4 + HIGH AVAILABILITY + LIFETIME BONUS

dev_vps · October 2024

@dev_vps said:

@MassiveGRID said:

There are many other orders that have used the offer and haven't posted here yet to get the bonus.

Does it state any condition (like posting order#) to get the fourth year free? Check the order page screenshot yourself.

Also, will the new owner honor the free year, in case you sell your business?

@MassiveGRID
Care to comment on my questions?

paulamhan · October 2024

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Tue Sep 24 12:44:58 AM UTC 2024

Basic System Information:

Uptime : 0 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes
Processor : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2683 v4 @ 2.10GHz
CPU cores : 2 @ 2099.998 MHz
AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM : 3.8 GiB
Swap : 19.1 GiB
Disk : 31.3 GiB
Distro : Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
Kernel : 6.8.0-45-generic
VM Type : KVM
IPv4/IPv6 : ✔ Online / :x: Offline

IPv4 Network Information:

ISP : Massivegrid LTD
ASN : AS49683 MASSIVEGRID LTD
Host : MassiveGRID
Location : Frankfurt am Main, Hesse (HE)
Country : Germany

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/sda2):

Block Size	4k (IOPS)	64k (IOPS)
Read	3.94 MB/s (986)	63.77 MB/s (996)
Write	3.96 MB/s (992)	64.18 MB/s (1.0k)
Total	7.91 MB/s (1.9k)	127.95 MB/s (1.9k)

Block Size	512k (IOPS)	1m (IOPS)
------	--- ----	---- ----
Read	146.91 MB/s (286)	139.99 MB/s (136)
Write	154.72 MB/s (302)	149.32 MB/s (145)
Total	301.63 MB/s (588)	289.32 MB/s (281)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):

Provider	Location (Link)	Send Speed	Recv Speed	Ping
Clouvider	London, UK (10G)	1.02 Gbits/sec	994 Mbits/sec	14.6 ms
Eranium	Amsterdam, NL (100G)	1.06 Gbits/sec	986 Mbits/sec	7.15 ms
Uztelecom	Tashkent, UZ (10G)	393 Mbits/sec	710 Mbits/sec	100 ms
Leaseweb	Singapore, SG (10G)	289 Mbits/sec	702 Mbits/sec	244 ms
Clouvider	Los Angeles, CA, US (10G)	432 Mbits/sec	529 Mbits/sec	146 ms
Leaseweb	NYC, NY, US (10G)	329 Mbits/sec	784 Mbits/sec	81.4 ms
Edgoo	Sao Paulo, BR (1G)	206 Mbits/sec	382 Mbits/sec	203 ms

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

YABS completed in 17 min 4 sec

Tested multiple locations. Networking is great for 1gbps, CPU is okay

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@swindtur said:

@zhuye said:

@swindtur said:

@anubhavhirani said:

Where do these bot accounts randomly show up? and they keep commenting same or random invoice number in some provider's thread, I have not seen such bots in other solid and reliable providers, to name a few: Namecrane, ExtraVM, Greencloud and HostHatch.

I can find many such accounts in Racknerd's thread too, yesterday I came across an account that only comments on Racknerd's thread and has like 600 or so comments only asking to doublt the bandwidth with random invoice numbers which are not even in serial order, I will be adding screenshot to that account in a bit if I can find.

I am not a zombie account, I just made a mistake and repeated the comment, I have already applied for a refund..

Why the refund? Can you tell me?

The IP quality is pretty good, it's just that I feel like I can't use it much..... Just bought one in New York, the delay for Beijing Unicom is around 270ms. Maybe the mentality is to buy it while it's cheap, and test it out first...

The translation used is from OpenAI.

Speed of light on glass/fiber + switches and routers processing time + China congestion with the outside world latency between New York and Beijing can't be beaten!

Using this tool (ps: we love it) https://ping.pe/185.122.165.54 we can see 170-190 ms latency between New York and Japan for example. But then we see lots of higher latencies between New York and China and packet loss depending on the time of the day and network status on China's side.

From our side, our New York network remains uncongested and we use only Tier-1 providers.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@Sniffingsugar said:
Order ID: 1064962190
Please extend to the 4th year and price lock

Done!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

Rubben · October 2024

I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

dev_vps · October 2024

@miroc said:
I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

Because that would be new owner headache , if the business is sold

default · October 2024

@dev_vps said:

@miroc said:
I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

Because that would be new owner headache , if the business is sold

What if it is not sold?

Rubben · October 2024

@dev_vps said:

@miroc said:
I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

Because that would be new owner headache , if the business is sold

Makes sense, I'll stay away. The second red flag should be that on their website they don't list any legal information about their company. The first one is this offer.

emgh · October 2024

@miroc said:

@dev_vps said:

@miroc said:
I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

Because that would be new owner headache , if the business is sold

Makes sense, I'll stay away. The second red flag should be that on their website they don't list any legal information about their company. The first one is this offer.

Have you even looked?

https://massivegrid.com/terms-of-service/

MassiveGRID means MassiveGRID Ltd, Company Number: 10200892. With registered offices at 15 Beaufort Court Admirals Way, Docklands, London, E14 9XL, United Kingdom

Took me max 10 seconds

Rubben · October 2024

@emgh said:

@miroc said:

@dev_vps said:

@miroc said:
I'm a bit sceptical.. this looks waaay too good to be true. How are these insane offers even sustainable on the long run?

Because that would be new owner headache , if the business is sold

Makes sense, I'll stay away. The second red flag should be that on their website they don't list any legal information about their company. The first one is this offer.

Have you even looked?

https://massivegrid.com/terms-of-service/

MassiveGRID means MassiveGRID Ltd, Company Number: 10200892. With registered offices at 15 Beaufort Court Admirals Way, Docklands, London, E14 9XL, United Kingdom

Took me max 10 seconds

Oh right thanks, I did not see it, although it is expected to be displayed at the bottom of the homepage so no wonder

lichifeng · October 2024

Order Number: 4633059111

Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.
Thanks.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@default said:
Maybe I have some serious issues, but I am old enough on LET to see when something is too good to be true.

The owner tries to pose as some marketing expert. He wants to look like experienced in startups, but listening to the guy talk one can see the mask presented; for example with principles of hiring characters, not skill, denoting work entry exploitation and crunch culture behind.

The offer is their first offer on LET, after 21 years. Nobody knows how LET was not aware of them for so long. Hence it is safe to assume this info of 21 years is untrue.

The offer is a wall of text, as if we're some kind of newbies, specifically designed to boost views and SEO.

The offer has no monthly price to compare it to. It only starts with annually on their first offer on LET which is great, then drops price by 40% if bought for 4 years. It is like they want me to look intensively at those 4 years.

Their very first offer here has the fear of missing out psychology ("THIS DEAL WON'T LAST FOREVER—GRAB IT BEFORE IT'S GONE!") in bold header text, designed specifically to catch attention and make you pay for 4 years.

There is no other such offer on their website and can't find similar crazy offers online from this provider. This is their very first post on LET and very first offer of such kind.

The offer is posted right when people need it the most, before Black Friday, as many are oscillating between renewals or possibly waiting for Black Friday deals. The provider clearly wants my money.

This offer is so crazy it beats many Black Friday deals, to make sure it attracts customers. We can see something like this on Black Friday, but in limited quantity (bots grab it and we know the pain). Here this offer is given so easily and in abundance.

The offer is still standing and working great, hence the company knows what is doing. Normally they would be out of stock if offer is legit as provider is caught in surprise by demand. And yet, there's plenty. It is like provider made a huge investment with many dedicated servers available and prepared for a huge sale of this magnitude (21 years behind... yeah right).

The offer is unsustainable. There is a recession in the west and we know it from the cost of living. Such offer can't be kept for 4 years in current market. One could say they gamble on things to change - the founder has an self-suggested ideology of pressure as if one should be happy about being pressured now, for they are stronger later. They don't care about any recession.

Random bots here are posting invoices as other have noticed, all to keep thread up in frontpage and gain even more SEO though LET.

Such kind of offers (not for 4 years though) could have been seen from Virmach in the past as an example. But Virmach had to seriously cut costs from support offered, clearly notifying the customers. Here the provider offers not just simple support, but "Managed Server Support" for free on their ordering page. We all know stuff like this can't come at such price point.

The offer violates the rules of LET. According to our rules "for businesses older than one year the maximum term is three (3) years", yet the offer is clearly calculated at 4 years because "3Y Price: $23.98 = $0.49/month" is actually $0.666/month. This was done on purpose and it is a misinformation as it includes the 4th year in offer, bending the 3 years rule of LET in its info.

The whole thing does not stand in my opinion. People who made the offer are simply smart, but smart people don't get paid with peanuts; therefore it is a scam made by smart people for fast gain in my opinion. I strongly hope to be proven wrong in 4 years; I want to be proven wrong in 4 years. But in my opinion: support, abusers and rising price of electricity will eat this provider alive.

Thank you for spending the time to review. It's a great opportunity for us to respond:

We'll tell him! :-)
21 years is 100% true. The hosting business company started in 2003 in Greece. Then we started a company in the UK as we start expanding globally and we created the MassiveGRID brand in 2014 and then we also incorporated a company in the US in December 2020. We disagree with the opinion "you haven't made an offer on LET before so you can't be 21 years in the hosting business" We undestand how impactful the LET community is and can result even in that false opinion and that's the reason we wanted to make the best offer possible as our first offer on LET. Based on the feedback we believe that we achieved to make the best offer
We're open to constructive feedback on how to make the offers better next time. There are going to be more offers in the future and we want to know how to improve them.
Indeed we don't have a monthly plan for this offer. It's easy for anyone to compare with our monthly plans on our website if they want to. They start at $7/month for 1 vCore, 1 GB RAM and 32 GB SSD Storage.
Indeed this offer can't last forever and won't last forever. We'll try our best to accommodate as many users as possible!
Indeed this is the BEST offer we've EVER made in ANY medium and it's ON LET!
We definitely want to provide the best service at the best price. We're not focused on the money, we're focused on a good service at the best price. We have 15 days money back guarantee if for whatever reason someone doesn't like the service.
Imagine what we'll do for Black Friday! (we don't know yet).
We have lots of unused capacity thus the offer. We don't plan to sell. Everything else is unbased.
The offer is sustainable for those who will get it.
From our side, every order or invoice number we've seen is true. If there are accounts that sign up on LET only because we posted our offer here, that might show how good our offer is that drives new users on LET. We leave that to LET admins' policies in case they want to put restrictions that for example in order to post, your account must be x days/week old, etc. But of course this is not on our field. This offer is exclusive for LET and we direct anyone that wants the bonus to comment here as it's clearly stated on the offer.
We don't know Virmach.
We don't think we violate any rules and if we need to change anything in the offer, we'll gladly do if LET administration tell us to.

Overall we understand that this offer might be the best offer and this were our intentions.

We believe in constructive feedback.
We believe in making the best offer.
We don't believe in feedback "you're guilty until proven innocent"

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@lsj2020n said:
Invoice #1965830

Done!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@truemagic said:
Order Number is: 4447047577

Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.

Done!!!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

freeyingshi · October 2024

Order Number: 9299524312
Invoice 1965985

Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.
Thanks.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@alexyang said:
My Order Number is: 7477367798
Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.
Thanks.

Done!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

amaeva080 · October 2024

https://lowendtalk.com/post/quote/198631/Comment_4043530

@MassiveGRID - Please check, I think this was missed.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@Kris said:

@default said: The whole thing does not stand in my opinion. People who made the offer are simply smart, but smart people don't get paid with peanuts; therefore it is a scam made by smart people for fast gain in my opinion. I strongly hope to be proven wrong in 4 years; I want to be proven wrong in 4 years. But in my opinion: support, abusers and rising price of electricity will eat this provider alive.

Feeling a bit of the same way, but Equinix Secaucus was where I want to be.

First impressions are good bandwidth, albeit very Cogent heavy - almost exclusively with a dash of GTT.

CPU limited to hell (400-500 on a gold) which may be good for this type of deal.

I do however see their IP ranges becoming useless in APAC within 30-60 days at most due to MJJ usage and god knows what.

Also seeing the issues ph24 has with shitminers, maybe this strict CPU limit is good. IOPS seems hard limited too and could be their saving grace?

It works perfectly fine for Wireguard. Now just to find out where to set rDNS.

We try to be on the best datacenters and we direct connect with the best Tier-1 providers.

The benchmarks of 1 vCore can be low since on Intel XEON is 1 thread. Benchmarks on our 2 or 4 vCores are way better. Also benchmark software when RAM is only 1GB uses the SWAP which has lots of impact on the benchmarking results.

Storage is triple replicated, highly available CEPH on Datacenter SSD disks. It's limited for VPS to 1k IOPS to make sure that each VPS gets what it needs without any VPS to be able to cause issues on other VPSes in the same node using all the resources for benchmarks for example. In general VPS need 100-1000 IOPS unless they do something that specifically needs more IOPS. We'll also release an offer on VDS that have higher IOPS.

In any case, if someone needs for specific reasons higher IOPS, we can support that in our Clusters, but it's going to be a manual upgrade after they open us a ticket. We don't have that automated yet, but we plan to.

Thank you for your feedback.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@Caztiel said:

@anubhavhirani said:

@default said:
The whole thing does not stand in my opinion. People who made the offer are simply smart, but smart people don't get paid with peanuts; therefore it is a scam made by smart people for fast gain in my opinion. I strongly hope to be proven wrong in 4 years; I want to be proven wrong in 4 years. But in my opinion: support, abusers and rising price of electricity will eat this provider alive.

I have raised the same concern in comments before and I am guessing this provider will stop existing very soon.

Bigger question to me, how can they afford this when company is running in huge losses ?

https://open.endole.co.uk/insight/company/10200892-massivegrid-ltd

Definitely not true.

Endole's terms about information accuracy:

6.1 The information, products and services provided by Endole is provided on an "as is" basis without any guarantees, conditions, or warranties as to its accuracy, whether expressed explicitly or implicitly.
6.2 Endole shall not be liable for any loss or damage incurred including but not limited to loss of income or business revenue to the Customer or any companies or entities connected with the Customer as a result of using the services provided by Website.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@hyun said:
Order Number: 6543081248
Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.
Thanks.

Done!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@silun said:
@default There is a price to compare to of sorts, if you will:

https://www.serverhunter.com/offer/massivegrid-inc-limited-offer-from-massivegrid-xeon-e5-2683v4-kvm-frankfurt-8/visit/

This is the 2024 offer that has been around for some months now. It works for monthly as well, but they do not offer price lock-in for upgrading later (though as I understand if you don't change specs, it will stay at that price). You can check out the rising savings from monthly to triennially there.

To be honest, if the LET offer is the first you see, I understand that you feel it's a predatory BUY NOW OR LOSE OUT type of thing, but since they have very comparable offers already out and available for some time, it doesn't strike me as predatory at all. I do hope that their model is sustainable overall, especially since their scalability niche is something that is rarely found elsewhere. They don't technically have to make money on the LET deal specifically, mind you.

You can also check their regular pricing on their site which is quite a bit higher.

Exactly!

This is based feedback after some research. Thank you.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@silun said:
@Kris Their CPU scores in GB6 seem to vary, some people have been posting 1k scores and others have about 500. My own scores vary from 500 - 700. It is about on par with what you get for 1€ per month at Strato, though Strato is 2(?) gbit but not HA.

You can set rDNS under Domains -> Manage DNS -> Manage Reverse DNS on the top right.

I believe it varies a lot if you compare 1 vCore (which is 1 thread on XEON) with 2 vCores or 4 vCores which a full 1 or 2 XEON Cores.

We've seen sometimes people comparing our 1 vCore with 4 vCores on other companies, which of course it's not a true comparison.

ascicode · October 2024

Where did you hosted before 2016, if your allocation and IP lease went through that time?

gbzret4d · October 2024

@MassiveGRID
invoice number: 1965812
order number: 6001353369
please add one year

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@jsg said:
FWIW I just published a review in a new thread (not here because of the bot-like shit show here). Here you find the review https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/198672/a-quick-review-benchmark-of-massivegrid-promo-vps

@default said:
[lots of points]

I don't agree but neither do I strictly disagree. Yes, there's always some risk with that kind of offers (multi-year), even with providers considered as reputable, and yes again, @MassiveGRID isn't a well established provider here (yet?), so I can understand your view.

The offer violates the rules of LET. According to our rules "for businesses older than one year the maximum term is three (3) years", yet the offer is clearly calculated at 4 years because "3Y Price: $23.98 = $0.49/month" is actually $0.666/month. This was done on purpose and it is a misinformation as it includes the 4th year in offer, bending the 3 years rule of LET in its info.

Nuh, I disagree. The offer actually is for 3 years. The 4th year is a "free bonus" and AFAIK the LET rules don't forbid adding "free bonuses". The paid term is 3 years, period.

All in all I agree that the offer is in, I'll call it "the grey zone" and evidently timed for maximum sales - which however may be considered bad taste but is absolutely legal.
For me personally the main point was this: If that VPS stays alive for 3 (or even 4) years it's a good deal, if only for 2 years it's not a bad deal, if only for 1 year, OK it's a bad deal, and even less than 1 year it clearly is a bad deal - but then, what would I loose worst case? About $35; I can live with that, especially when I see no strong warning signs.

My guess is that that company kind of halfway stagnated for quite a few years but somehow got their hands on a good hardware deal and went all in, probably not aiming for lots of profit but rather for gaining a larger customer base and better visibility.

TL;DR: While I can understand your opinion and partly share it I think your view is to harsh and pessimistic (but of course I may find out to be utterly wrong). At the end of the day I think "no risk no gain" and "give a reasonable chance first, judge only after some time".

Thank you for your feedback. We'll try to respond there as well. Please also check our previous replies about the product specs.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@dingzier said:
Order Number: 1965847
Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.

Done!

Due date extended to October of 2028. Please check and let us know.

Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

hula · October 2024

My Order Number is: Invoice #1965966

Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking.

Thanks.

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@bobe said:
Invoice #1965859
Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking
#1965842
My first order Invoice has not been confirmed yet.
Please extend my vps for 4th year and price locking

Done!

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Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

Thank you for choosing MassiveGRID

MassiveGRID · October 2024

@zybcm said:
Order Number: 8372718345
thanks

Done!

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Also, the special offer pricing has been locked for your service and for any upgrades, for life!

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millkiss · October 2024

Order Number : 8380394945
Update pls.
Thank you!

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