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WordPress.org calling out WP Engine
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Blowing up with WordPress core developers unhappy with Matt's actions https://x.com/DuaneStorey/status/1839127598733173020?t=efbV1zYX7iGc-3th2Npffg&s=19
Probably will force the WordPress community to develop their own plugin & resources plugin ecosystem independently of wordpress.org to prevent such abuse of power as that is more damaging that Matt's claim of being hacked without wordpress.org resources access
Maybe the origin story of this issue ?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41613628
Automattic employee's thoughts and perspective https://davemart.in/2024/09/25/my-thoughts-on-matts-comments/
For me all of this still has no sense.
It's an open source software (or at least it was) and I can do whatever I want with it (under GPL restrictions)
There's no rule saying that I'm FORCED to give it back to WP community anyhow/anywhere.
It might be an ethical practice, but it's not a written rule at all.
This is just Matt going crazy and jealous for WPEngine's revenue being higher than his company and wanna benefit from it.
If he wins this battle, he will start chasing whoever adopts WP in his services and that's a monopoly.
Latest DRAMA Update here
Was thinking couldn't WPEngine just bypass the blocks with spinning up WP_PROXY_HOST HTTP forward proxy servers https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/classes/wp_http_proxy/ ?
It's crazy about how Matt is able to use the wp core ecosystem for plugins/themes as leverage in order to strongarm his opponent. This has probably been a first, and the core devs are right to question "what's next?". What does this say about Open Source Projects in general? How many of them are actually dependend on a hosted ecosystem somewhere? How many are truly independent? Questions that will be given more thought going forward, I'm sure.
I can see that 12 months from now, the Wordpress community will have an independent WP resource/plugin system that Matt doesn't control. This is the only way to safeguard it from abuse.
It probably would have to be one big system people agree on using, otherwhise you'd have many shards/islands of ecosystems making things "harder". Of course, there'll also be a way around this, but there's also a big benefit to having one functioning and sole ecosystem.
I mean, it’s I find it quite clear: Matt wants to keep his market share and revenue, while wp engine dosen’t really help the open source software that they’re profiting on nearly as much as could be expected
Both fueled by greed.
Good thing one dosen’t have to pick a side.
"WP Engine makes so much money with it that it reduced the value of it for me" is so subjective and personal. I mean I get they're trying to imply that they took away value from the community by taking sales from wordpress.com but that feels like a hard logic to sell to me. Am I just crazy and sleep deprived?
I mean otherwise, how many installations of open source software does the software's founder have to disapprove of for the community to suddenly empathize with him through intuition and stop contributing to the project?
They might as well just figure out a way to transition to closed source, clearly they think that they should be the only managed WordPress provider. Who knows which one they go after next if they pull this off.
Yeah it's a hard sell justification. Basically Matt just put on notice every for profit company/people that make a living off Wordpress and do not contribute back to Wordpress itself and also pissed off the Wordpress developer community itself
But how much confidence would you have it that one sole ecosystem if it's just a play toy for Matt?
I'm not saying it should be Matt's ecosystem, just ideally one. If someone can make it work that it works decentralized or even multiple eco systems that can be added like in sources.list that's of course also great. But then quality control of plugins/themes would probably differ between the ecosystems and could lead to issues. I don't have a perfect solution in mind at all, but I'm sure the community will come up with something following Matt's actions.
That is why releasing thing under an open source license sucks...
Probally a large split of and a new fork...
What Ecosystem does Classicpress use, or is it also reliant on Wordpress.org's ecosystem?
They added a new page to the Automattic / Pressable site trying to poach the WP Engine customers during the chaos they've created too: https://pressable.com/wpe-contract-buyout/
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I don't use WP much anymore these days but have one legacy site with wp.com, will probably move it away from them with an owner like this
He's losing it now, you hate to see it: https://ma.tt/2024/09/charitable-contributions/
Charitable contributions doesn't even mean anything. There are a wide variety of 501(c)(3) organizations. They're not all about feeding starving children or solving illnesses. Some are controversial, some are borderline scams, etc.
I give it 48 hours before someone finds out he owns half of those organisations
He's pissing me off.
He's gonna damage WordPress trust and image so badly.
Reminds me of CentOS source drama with AlmaLinux and Rocky Linux and how they differ in their workarounds to obtain the sources and how it sort of fractured folks into pro AlmaLinux or pro Rocky Linux camps. Some folks aren't happy with AlmaLinux using CentOS Stream as one of their sources. While some folks like me happy they are no longer tied to upstream 100%
But Matt's further escalation of the matters and any further attempts at using wordpress.org as a weapon, will probably push the WordPress developer and user community away from wordpress.org as being that single source.
I think since gutenshit wordpress opensource developers should have made a fork, now on every install you have to add classic widgets and classic editor and more plugins just to make it wordpress, simply just make a fork and I think thats what will happen as a response to matt madness.
In this case I’m not with both sides but since wordpress itself was a fork of other software I think it was called b2 and most of the contributors are from the community matt doesn’t have the right to make such decisions without getting back to them, what made matt take this step was that nobody wants to contribute on the resent updates of wordpress even the community didn’t like gutenberg
And now he is trying to push companies to develop it.
Does he know that first think we do after installing a wordpress to install a builder and plugins and wordpress itself without those plugins is useless thats why first thing he do he stopped wp engine from accessing the plugins and themes while he doesn’t even own those themes and plugins !!
After doing some research I have found this fork hope it gets more support by time
https://www.classicpress.net/
Please see https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/198053/latest-drama-wp-engine-is-banned-from-using-wordpress-org-as-from-september-25th