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Hetzner Launches Object Storage ($6.50/TB)

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  • hsrhsr Member

    @emgh said:

    @hsr said:
    Niceeeeeee

    The guys calling $6.5/TB expensive is broke asf

    You know what LE in LET stands for, right?

    😂 true

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @emgh said: ou know what LE in LET stands for, right?

    Limited Edition. :lol:

    Thanked by 3emgh host_c xms
  • hsrhsr Member

    Just got my account approved, woop woop.

    Thanked by 3maverick emgh Hetzner_OL
  • zmeuzmeu Member

    @hsr said: Just got my account approved, woop woop.

    Me too!

    Thanked by 2hsr Hetzner_OL
  • ErisaErisa Member

    According to https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/overview/#pricing, traffic to other resources within the same region is free. So you can route egress via a Hetzner Cloud VM to get 20TB if you feel so inclined. Also a relief for those using dedicated servers at Hetzner which will have ""unlimited"" bandwidth (with the usual asterisks).

    Also no charges for API calls, just traffic.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • anbelevebelanbelevebel Member

    In their FAQ it says each bucket is limited to 1Gbps. LMAO.

    https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/overview#limits

    Completely useless if that’s going to be the case when it’s out of beta.

    Thanked by 1xms
  • GrentenvilleGrentenville Member

    @anbelevebel said:

    @AXYZE said:

    @anbelevebel said:
    Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    So for storing 1TB for a month you get;

    • €5.95/TB for storage
    • 1.5TB of download bandwidth included for each TB stored
    • Additional cost for download bandwidth is €1.19/TB
    • Free upload
    • Free download/upload within Hetzner network of the same region (EU to EU, US to US etc.)

    Did I get this right? If that’s the case, it’s extremely cheap and time for me to switch from R2/Bunny.

    Backblaze B2
    - $6/TB (so 5.40€/TB)
    - 3TB of download bandwidth included for each TB stored
    - also free upload
    - Free download if through Cloudflare network
    So slightly cheaper and 2x more free egress.

    iDrive E2 is $4/TB ($2/TB for first year) and just like Backblaze it has 3x free egress. A lot cheaper, still more free egress, but its not that solid as Backblaze.

    I wouldn't call Hetzner offer "extremely cheap", its not even competitive with established, popular storage brands as shown above.

    Hetzner Object Storage is Hetzner's high margin product on which they want to make money out of low margin VPSes.

    Thank you for the clarification.

    I tried Backblaze a while back it wasn’t that fast. So far the fastest I’ve seen is Bunny Storage which I was able to hit 50Gbps and I don’t know what’s their limit.

    My servers are on Hetzner so I’m not going to be paying any of those costs you mentioned since I’m within their network.

    I believe Bunny’s Falkenstein location is also colo’ed at Hetzner so I think that’s why I’m able to get those speeds.

    Whether I will switch to Hetzner’s Object Storage or not will depend on how much bandwidth it’ll give me within their network. If it’s going to be as fast as Bunny’s then I’ll be switching to Hetzner’s and only be paying for the storage.

    On their limits section of the docs (https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/object-storage/overview#limits) they state the bandwidth is limited to 1Gibit/s per bucket, I'm unsure if this limits will apply to services in the same region

  • helloitsmeagainhelloitsmeagain Member

    This hears good. We will see what will come up from this :)

    Thanked by 1Hetzner_OL
  • jahrincjahrinc Member

    @anbelevebel said: Completely useless if that’s going to be the case when it’s out of beta.

    Agreed. What kinda joke is this lmfao I'm using about 100Gbps on R2

  • sanvitsanvit Member

    @anbelevebel said: 50Gbps download speeds with Bunny Storage

    @jahrinc said: 100Gbps on R2

    Just curious, what kind of files are you transmitting at what volume (total traffic)? Are the 50/100Gbps speed including their CDN caching, or are you guys getting that raw speed by directly hitting the API?

  • jahrincjahrinc Member
    edited September 2024

    @sanvit said: Just curious, what kind of files are you transmitting at what volume (total traffic)? Are the 50/100Gbps speed including their CDN caching, or are you guys getting that raw speed by directly hitting the API?

    Media (videos, images). No caching what so ever (on the videos - images are cached).

    Since they bill for transactions, they don't seem to care how much you use the service since we're paying for them.

    Why no caching on the videos? Because there's a limit of 512MB cache size and for some reason when you cache videos from R2 with their cache it returns as 200 instead of 206 - which then makes the user download the entire video when skipping over.

    Thanked by 1sanvit
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jahrinc said:

    @sanvit said: Just curious, what kind of files are you transmitting at what volume (total traffic)? Are the 50/100Gbps speed including their CDN caching, or are you guys getting that raw speed by directly hitting the API?

    for some reason when you cache videos from R2 with their cache it returns as 200 instead of 206 - which then makes the user download the entire video when skipping over.

    I’d ask about this in the Cloudflare Discord if you care about it

  • webontopwebontop Member

    CF is way better than this.

  • anbelevebelanbelevebel Member
    edited September 2024

    @jahrinc said:

    @anbelevebel said: Completely useless if that’s going to be the case when it’s out of beta.

    Agreed. What kinda joke is this lmfao I'm using about 100Gbps on R2

    How are you able to hit 100Gbps on R2? I'm only getting 1Gbps tops and often way less. Since I couldn't get those speeds I switched to Bunny Storage but if it's possible to get 100Gbps on R2 I'll switch back.

    Can you tell me how?

  • jahrincjahrinc Member

    @anbelevebel said: How are you able to hit 100Gbps on R2? I'm only getting 1Gbps tops and often way less. Since I couldn't get those speeds I switched to Bunny Storage but if it's possible to get 100Gbps on R2 I'll switch back.

    Can you tell me how?

    Have a lot of users loading the media and images :P - have about 900k daily users on the site daily.

  • aj_potcaj_potc Member

    @jahrinc said:

    Have a lot of users loading the media and images :P - have about 900k daily users on the site daily.

    Do you find the R2 latency suitable for loading cold (uncached) images? Or are most of your images hot and stay in the Cloudflare cache?

  • jahrincjahrinc Member

    @aj_potc said: Do you find the R2 latency suitable for loading cold (uncached) images? Or are most of your images hot and stay in the Cloudflare cache?

    Uncached are pretty fast ngl, havent really noticed any slowdowns on images that are not cached.

    Video as well. Videos load instantly, and download super fast, most of the time even from NA (and bucket is in EU) downloads at full Gbit saturating my conn, and the other way around from what I've tested (NA bucket and download from EU RDP)

  • aj_potcaj_potc Member

    @jahrinc said:

    @aj_potc said: Do you find the R2 latency suitable for loading cold (uncached) images? Or are most of your images hot and stay in the Cloudflare cache?

    Uncached are pretty fast ngl, havent really noticed any slowdowns on images that are not cached.

    Video as well. Videos load instantly, and download super fast, most of the time even from NA (and bucket is in EU) downloads at full Gbit saturating my conn, and the other way around from what I've tested (NA bucket and download from EU RDP)

    That's interesting. I'm seeing TTFB of about 400-800ms for cold image loads over HTTPS. Not tragic, but also not instant.

    Are you loading your content via the S3 interface and then streaming it to users from a server, or are you serving up the content directly through HTTPS (e.g., from a domain in front of R2)?

  • jahrincjahrinc Member
    edited September 2024

    @aj_potc said: Are you loading your content via the S3 interface and then streaming it to users from a server, or are you serving up the content directly through HTTPS (e.g., from a domain in front of R2)?

    The latter.

    Custom domain.

    Edit: Also forgot to mention I also have Business plan, which unlocks POPs closer to me, and my audience.

    Thanked by 1aj_potc
  • Brend4nBrend4n Member

    Has anyone tested the bandwidth limit? I wonder if it's per connection/bucket vs per bucket overall. Per bucket overall would be problematic, like when deploying updates and stuff where you're expecting a spike in BW.

  • WhiteRoseGWhiteRoseG Member

    @anbelevebel said:

    @WhiteRoseG said:
    You can also take a storagebox for less

    Object Storage supposedly should give you Gbps of throughput. For instance I’m able to hit 50Gbps download speeds with Bunny Storage.

    Good luck hitting anything over 500Mbps with Storage Box. While it has its purposes, they’re not to be compared with one another.

    You can use Object Storage even as database. They have way more use cases than just storing your cold data like in Storage Box.

    I’d say Storage Box is more like AWS’s glacier-tier.

    Lol I maxed my server out on 1gbit, didn't try higher

  • WhiteRoseGWhiteRoseG Member

    @hsr said:
    Niceeeeeee

    The guys calling $6.5/TB expensive is broke asf

    You're on the wrong forum :p

  • SilvengaSilvenga Member

    @Levi said: Hetz in general goes pretty dissapointing way downhill. They become pricy, touchy regarding acciunt closures. And if you used recent support - it is provided by AI

    Oh, that explains why I got the most useless response from them - like they didn't even read my ticket. Their billing support isn't fun to work with - blaming me for issues with their website (CORS error). I spent $25 to get a long distance phone call, and they kept throwing me to their tech department, and their tech department kept throwing me back to billing.

  • Brend4nBrend4n Member

    @Brend4n said:
    Has anyone tested the bandwidth limit? I wonder if it's per connection/bucket vs per bucket overall. Per bucket overall would be problematic, like when deploying updates and stuff where you're expecting a spike in BW.

    Seems to give a "503 Slow Down" response if too many downloads, unfortunate

  • TangeTange Member

    @jahrinc said:

    Have a lot of users loading the media and images :P - have about 900k daily users on the site daily.

    sh!t man, i bet you don't have the copyright of those medias, DO YOU HAVE ANY DMCA PROBLEM ON R2?

  • jahrincjahrinc Member
    edited September 2024

    @Tange said: sh!t man, i bet you don't have the copyright of those medias, DO YOU HAVE ANY DMCA PROBLEM ON R2?

    We have a moderation team, since we do accept user uploads :) - so far nothing over months and months of usage.

    If you're worried about that, just put a proxy on top that from that provider that sends the notices to /dev/null :wink:

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