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WordPress.org calling out WP Engine
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I agree. Good that WP.org is calling them out. WP Engine is way too restrictive for my taste. I prefer Rocket.net instead 🚀
Sounds like "they make a lot of money and we are jealous and want a share". I don't understand why this garbage(WordPress )still exists there are so many better frameworks/cms out there
Maybe WP exists because of the extensive Themes and Plugins,
Can you please share these alternatives you're talking about?
This is most hypocritical article I read in many years.
Says the Automattic, the company which created fuckin Wordpress.com to profit of Wordpress.org. But somehow WP Engine is the one who creates confusion and uses branding! YEA IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE RIGHT? RIGHT? No.
I agree, privaty equity "can hollow out an open source community".
But... it comes from who?
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/19/automattic-raises-300-million-at-3-billion-valuation-from-salesforce-ventures/
Your investors even include BlackRock out of all things!
Bro is calling out random private equity while having SalesForce and BlackRock as investors and selling user data from both Wordpress.com and Tumblr to OpenAI to train on user data. BUT NO BRO LOOK AT WP ENGINE THEY'RE THREAT TO OPEN SOURCE!!11
Spent so many hours, yet Wordpress is completely unusable without additional THIRD PARTY plugins and themes. You need like 10 plugins to have properly functioning website.
There's 30+ page builders which completely avoid your most essential thing which is Gutenberg. You couldn't fix it in 7 years. People are using Elementor, Divi, Breakdance, Oxygen, Bricks, but not Gutenberg.
We all know where the problem is: "Automattic is a similar size".
Investors called you out on such performance where newcomer is using same exact and YOUR opensource product to get more clients.
Investors called you out that big portion of Wordpress installations have WP Engine plugins on it (like Advanced Custom Fields).
But no, somehow you spent hours in development and still not have proper page builder, still no custom fields, still no forms... heck, are you for real that Wordpress doesn't even have official backup solution? And cache is not built in ONLY because you sell Jetpack plugin, so on purpose you worsen Wordpress?
Instead of improving you are blaming competitors on being better.
Because, who uses Wordpress.com other than confused people that thought "Wordpress" is paid and not aware there is also opensourced "Wordpress.org" project that they can host anywhere, even on $10/yr host?
I must admit calling out WP Engine being too similar to Wordpress.org, while running Wordpress.com is most funny thing ever.
I fucking hate corporations and big investors.
Shifting blame, gaslighting, whataboutism.
Just shut the fuck up milionare, you are making even worse things than ones you call out. Stop crying cause "oh no I lose my power over others".
IMPROVE YOUR THING INSTEAD OF PULLING OTHERS DOWN.
Did anyone read that article? Automatic calls out wp engine on turning off versioning. An important feature of wordpress. Besides that, of course wp engine rakes out from automatic profits
. Dirty politics
WTF
So no reversions that sucks
It was like that even decade ago and WP Engine is so tightly integrated that even WordCamp where whole drama began is sponsored by them! But somehow it became problem now, just when WP Engine reached same value as his company.
It has nothing to do with new capital which they call out for some reason (while having Salesforce and BlackRock as investors), revisions were always turned off.
He wrote that WP Engine does it to save on storage.
Okay, see these values:
WP Engine 10GB plan is $20/mo
WP Engine 50GB plan is $194/mo
Can you say with straight face, that WP Engine wants user to save on storage?
This is clearly an optimization technique made purely for users, not against users.
Also it can be turned on by contacting the support 🙂
@bikegremlin
https://www.bikegremlin.net/threads/wordpress-com-owner-matt-bashes-on-wp-engine-and-silver-lake-capital.352/
Any idea how much a revision costs compares to images..
You can make 10k revisions and it will never use the limit of the smallest package.
Okay, I see that there is further context needed.
In Wordpress every major page builder and theme has own revision system.
Breakdance
https://breakdance.com/documentation/builder/workflow/revisions-system/
Bricks
https://academy.bricksbuilder.io/article/revisions/
Divi
https://help.elegantthemes.com/en/articles/2355474-how-to-recover-missing-or-deleted-content-on-a-page#h_4bd150bdba
Elementor
https://elementor.com/help/revision-history-undo-and-redo/
Oxygen
https://oxygenbuilder.com/documentation/other/revisions-system/
Are all of them stupid and wasted time developing own solution?
Or is built-in Wordpress solution so bad, that everybody developed their own solution?
Is WP Engine sabotaging own earnings by making customers website use less disk? Or are they are doing what their customers pay them for - optimize their webpages without user interacting with their tools... and that optimization includes turning off revisions, because they slow down Wordpress? Hmmm?
And is disabling this messy built-in revision system not an issue, because nobody is using Gutenberg, so customers already have external revision system from their theme/page builder and on top of that WP Engine has great backup system?
Automattic is seeking excuses of burning investors money from 2020 until today. Name one great thing that Wordpress got in last 4 years. Maybe responsive admin page, because its 2024? No, not even that. It's still in half-finished state from years.
Shift blame to WP Engine who made fortune on making your product useable by nontechnical people, totally makes sense. Without WP Engine these people would switch to Wix.
Automattic should be thankful, because people are choosing Wordpress (and their products such as WooCommerce), because WP Engine exists.
If Automattic seriously have an issue with "turn off post revisions" then explain to everywhone why every single page builder and theme avoids that too. Nobody develops just to waste time, yet everybody developed that.
Found this gem,
https://wpherc.com/wordpress-com-is-not-wordpress-1369/
I loved using Gutenberg
WordPress's Pagely is direct competitor of WP Engine.
but.. indeed Pagely offers "Revision" and that's the core part of the Wordpress CMS.
I've tried WP engine. features are less, too costly, small storage and they'll ask to upgrade and upgrade to milk more money. but the service is good (speed wise).
but then my client wanted to shift to more affordable managed wordpres. and we found a new home. now as big and costly as wp engine or rocket.net or wpx or not even pagely. but a good small provider. It cut the cost from $170/mo to $50/mo for wp site.
i agree with it. WordPress.com is just typical 1999 blog hosting (blogspot) if we don't buy the high end plans. Becasue Wordpress.com is not WordPress without the Plugins and that's what they restrict on starter/free plans. I do use WordPress.com to host basic blog pointing links back to my money-site hosted on Wordpress.org (self hosted)
Download Breakdance or Bricks, you'll regret any second spent with Guternberg.
Gutenberg doesn't even give you preview of what your content will look on page. I don't know what you loved (unless you're sarcastic) about it.
Then there is also Cwicly which is pretty interesting idea and can take piece of Wix/Webflow customers. Cwicly is "Gutenberg like it should be done in first place".
375$/mo ☠️☠️☠️,
I host my site locally, and push to CF pages. 100% page speed + <150ms TTFB all over the world.
I meant mostly for writing. I find it really clean.
But honestly, I don't really use WP anymore.
Gutenberg is nice.
I saw that article and was surprised Matt called out WP Engine. The revision system is nice to have, but I can count on one hand how many times I have used it to revert a post in the past decade!
For writing you mean by writing a text on blank white page?
Why not Google Docs, which has multi-user editing, way better language correction, nice integrated comments?
I'm completely serious. Gutenberg is a blank white page with barebones text editor. You cannot even show contents of it to someone else unless you save your work and close your tab. It's WordPad, but in browser. What's the point?
Because if you don't need any of that, it's a waste of time.
Especially when you want to use some blocks for stuff in the middle of the text and come up with that during writing.
An these blocks in the middle of text will be rendered on blank white page of Gutenberg interface, so you have no idea how this will look on your site, while with any page builder you get WYSIWYG. I do not get your point here, because now we went back to biggest con of Gutenberg which is lack of integration with page itself.
Even most simple thing like table is a nightmare to work with in Gutenberg, because your site paddings, max width etc. will completly throw it off and you need to redo your work.
Yes, that's true, but I think you do get my point anyway.
Google Docs: I can't create blocks, and I can't see how they look on my site
Gutenberg: I can create blocks, but I can't see how they look on my site
Anyway, I'm done here. You obviously hate Gutenberg so I don't think you'll find any of my reasons for liking it any good.
It's the opposite - I would love to not pay/install additional page builder for basic sites if Gutenberg would be enough, that's why I'm asking you, because maybe I could simplify the stack for some of clients. If I have alternative solution to scenario you're presenting which I believe works better it doesn't mean I hate it and ignore your statements. I'm sorry if you found my tone towards you too aggressive.
Ah, no. I didn't. I simply thought you wanted to argue, my bad.
But let me then ask you something, do you seriously think Gutenberg is so bad that you can't use it for the most basic of your clients sites?
I get not wanting to use it on complex sites with lots going on.
Right now I have a client for who I'm recreating site from scratch. She has two gyms.
I think she's the most casual user of Wordpress from long time that I had as client, no WooCommerce, no ACF, just couple of pages and she writes some blog post couple times a month.
When we met she thought that it is normal when:
This is a basic Wordpress without page builder. Most basic things are broken for someone who has basic needs (How this paragraph/table/heading will look like).
All of these issues are fixeable with 3rd party page builder. It blows my mind that in 2024 Wordpress admin page is not optimized for mobile pages. It blows my mind that Gutenberg is still in this state. How it doesn't even put your content onto webpage canvas? You literally just fetch the webpage, put current editor on it.
"Todo list" app is part of most basic JS programming course from Udemy and it does exactly that. Programmer that learned 'let' variable hour ago will do it.
There is just no excuse. Gutenberg was published 7 years ago, 10 years in development.
WP Engine initiated formal legal action against Automattic. Now its pure drama mode! LET rejoice!
Comments from Wordpress groups are rather not supportive of Matt's words against WP Engine
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i don't understand whats the point of a business pointing what kind of features another business offers like wtf do you want its their choice and client choice to use them or not.
could've just point out the contribution part would've been enough i think wp-engine just placed their name there and forgot about it.
https://wordpress.org/five-for-the-future/pledge/wp-engine/
https://wordpress.org/five-for-the-future/pledge/automattic/