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AMD's new Ryzen 9000 CPUs are reportedly suffering 'disastrous' sales
What are your thoughts on this? Is this good for the hosting industry? Or is there something wrong with these chips?
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We're buying as many as we can afford to build dedicated servers. The 9000 is in every way better than the 7000 CPUs. Faster performance, lower power usage, more stable.
9000 series is way better 7000 series .... with lower power consumption, I would expect this to be preferred choice .... may be wait for some time before prices go down a bit
Isn't it too early to call it a 'disaster'... Rumors, this is based on rumors and opinions, where are the facts and in context?
No one is disputing performance, but for general consumers the pricing has been pretty bad. i.e. 9700X vs 7700/X is like 30% more expensive for ~5% uplift in gaming or 15% uplift in Phoronix test suite. 15% seems to be similar for 9950X vs 7950X, at only ~22% price increase so maybe the value proposition is better here.
(All prices from PCP).
I'm am waiting for the new motherboards to come out
I'm a fan of the 9000 series, already bought two for workstations. Could it have been better? Sure. Is it a little underwhelming? Yes. Is it worth the money if you were already planning on buying a 7950x? Yes. Power requirements are lower, heat is therefore lower, fan noise is therefore lower, and performance is slightly better. Count me in.
In the data center world, the CPU cost is a one time cost, power savings are recurring.
Probably a bit too pricey
I just hope that the motherboards will be of better quality.
I've never had so many problems on my servers as with 7950x-based host nodes.
Big change for Ryzen 9000
Zen 4 brought AVX512 instructions to Ryzen CPUs for the first time, but it did so by combining two 256-bit data paths. Zen 5 has a full 512-bit data path for AVX512 instructions, and for the (still rare-ish) tasks that actually use AVX512, it gives Zen 5 a disproportionately high performance boost.
CPU cost isn’t one-time unless you never upgrade your systems. It’s just as recurring.
Unless you plan to rent out a 9950X in 10 years for the same inflation-adjusted price as today?
While I agree with what you are saying, you have to note that the targeted audience is not datacenters for Ryzen, hence the majority of users of this CPU does not do such calculation.
Most of the changes introduced are heavily favored toward server usage. There isn't yet, but will eventually be an Epic 4005 equivalent, which will be a clone.
Are we not seeing the old Xeon E5s still being sold? Those have been in service well over a decade.
exactly.
Ryzen 9 3900 processor was released five years back on Sep 2019, and it is still considered a powerful cpu for VPS and VDS.
We have plenty of those too!
9900x and 9950x will be the way forward for sure.. Lower Power & Lower Temps is a plus.
The 9950x3d should come out next and be the next best thing for gaming PCs and maybe some AI stuff
I am pretty sure you will be able to use it for 10-15 years before you switch to more power efficient options. if you buy a new CPU in 10 years, I bet you, you will need a new 1U or 2U case. Taking a system as a ground reference, it's one time, power is the bill you will always be paying monthly be it after 10 or 20 years.
Everyone who responded to my comment only responded to half of it.
I said for the SAME INFLATION ADJUSTED PRICE.
If the price is less, that’s a cost.
The CPU decrease in value over time. That’s the recurring cost.
Trying to argue that modern hardware is just as powerful as it is now forever is just silly.
So if it in 10 years can sell for 1/5th of the inflation adjusted price since it’s devalued and lost most of it’s value, that’s not a cost?
It’s just as recurring, the only difference is that you pay up front. Hence why you’d write it off over time in the books.
Edit: I think the difference is that you look at the system built as the ground reference, whereas I use the DC as a business as the ground reference.
Do you have any information on the max power consumption for the 9 9xxx series? Ryzen 9 7xxx CPUs tend to have ~170W of max power usage.
Once it's paid off, usually in the first year, all future years profitability depends on operational costs.
The guy just wants to have an argument with someone, ignore him. Maybe he will leave.
Yes, that's true. But that's just different ways of 'mentally' looking at it. You could write it off over 1 year or 10 years.
Anyways, I think we agree, it's just different ways of looking at it.
Yes, expressing a different view is a cancer to society. I hope everyone would just always agree on everything. The discussions here would be super fun.
Just waiting for BIOS updates to enable the new series on existing motherboards. That said, the 7950X is extremely capable and handles just about everything.
Which motherboards specifically? AMD is purposely not offering official support on the B650e platform to shift over to Epic 4004. The manufacturers that support Zen 5 are doing it at their own risk.
Yes, but in all honesty, probably very okay for the average LET client.
I use Supermicro H13SAE for the Ryzen nodes. I did see that there is a new BIOS update. I am going to set aside some time to see if this allows for the 9950X I have to boot with it.
Wtf are uou talking about “old cpu”? Here folks selling frigin E5-2620v3 or E3. Ryzen line is a top notch, not speaking about EPYC, which is even better.
I updated the H13SAE to BIOS 2.1 and the 9950X is running!
Excellent @lnx 👍🏼👍🏼