Seeking High-Quality Anti-DDoS Protection for Gaming Servers

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• bobert Member

  September 2024 edited September 2024

  @Vexelia said: I can't entirely agree with your statement that blocking large attacks with two POPs is impossible.

  I'm not saying it's "impossible", you're going to run into issues this way which is why everyone expands to numerous pops.

  Each location has a limited number of bandwidth, even t1s, and if you limit yourself to a small number of locations then the chances that you clog a port somewhere on the way to your pop goes up.

  And not to mention the ping increases. Say you live in London and you want to connect to a royalehosting server in NY. With only 1 pop in the EU, you are going to get routed eastward to amsterdam and then back west to london before going to NY for an additional 20-40 ping.

  @Vexelia said: Overall, software matters the most, which everyone, for some reason, is crap at.

  That's because all the people who know how to do the software (like me) don't have the money or want to enter the ddos business to buy all that transit. And the people who do have the money don't want to spend money hiring people because they think they can do it themselves.
• Vexelia Member

  September 2024

  @bobert said:
  That's because all the people who know how to do the software (like me) don't have the money or want to enter the ddos business to buy all that transit. And the people who do have the money don't want to spend money hiring people because they think they can do it themselves.

  Factual statement.
• RoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider

  September 2024

  @Vexelia said:

  @stefeman said:

  @Vexelia said:

  @bobert said:

  @stefeman said: New? They're fucking dinosaurs. Older than i3d/Staminus/Black Lotus and had anti-ddos before OVHCloud and @seflow did.

  I'm talking about their anycast ddos protection, that is a relatively new product. I've seen hosts like vibegames just switch to them from path and every month there's a network problem because they are still fiddling around with the system.

  @stefeman said: New and upcoming. Became mainstream in 2023 after they ditched their 100% serverius anti-ddos. But was popular since 2020 locally in the netherlands.

  If they are seeking to block the biggest ddoses 2 pops isn't enough, and their NY location doesn't even have the same transits. It's going to be a long time before they have enough pops to be considered a suitable replacement for path let alone cosmic, unless they somehow get millions in funding.

  As far as I know, @RoyaleHosting is working hard to move New York to the new blend, excl. LibertyGlobal for obvious reasons. From what I understand, Stan wishes to visit NY in person in the coming weeks and finish the final touches until it can migrate to the new blend. I can't entirely agree with your statement that blocking large attacks with two POPs is impossible. More locations (and, of course, anycasting) make it easier to handle volumetric attacks, but as we've seen with other companies, it's not always that simple. Overall, software matters the most, which everyone, for some reason, is crap at. By all means, it's insane how much capacity Stan has in the Netherlands, being one of the largest networks in the Netherlands. I hope to see New York and his protection improve as it has been for a while. There are some issues with the protection running unconfigured/stock, but most of the time, they can be rectified using Shield Panel or opening a ticket. Overall, RoyaleHosting's services will be fine/better than competitors for most customers.

  Theyre solid choice at low cost, but I also hear stuff like that where they just YOLO the first configuration and you need to open ticket to get it corrected. Here comes the issue 2: They allegedly prioritize NL customers.

  For me, I can believe your statement that the first (recommended) configuration of the DDoS Protection is having difficulties, even with in-depth explanations of your use case and what you need. It happened to a close friend of mine recently, which was unfortunate. I feel the issue came from Stan skimming the ticket and not putting in as much time as it required. I still think Stan needs to hire new employees, especially if he wants to open up new locations. I don't see why he would prioritize Dutch customers unless you mean customers for the Netherlands location, which makes sense as New York is currently a smaller location with a smaller clientele, though arguably due to a lack of advertising and competitiveness on Stan's part.

  The DDoS protection is enabled by default and does not require specific configuration by the client. However, we highly recommend enabling the presets we released. Can you provide me with the ticket number for the configuration issue? I want to take a look at it. I never intentionally ''skim'' a ticket. Is it possible that this ticket was raised while I was on holiday? If so, my responses would have been delayed. If it specifically required my help and wasn't sorted by a colleague, but happy to check it so that we can learn from it in the future

  Regarding the statement about prioritizing Amsterdam customers over New York customers, I want to clarify that it is never our intention to do so. However, it is true that physical data center work in New York takes longer than in Amsterdam. This is mainly due to the fact that we rely on a third-party engineer rather than our own employees. Nevertheless, this situation will soon change. I will be visiting New York (and LA) in the near future to train our own employees for this location, which will address the issue mentioned above.
• RoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider

  September 2024

  @Vexelia said:

  @bobert said:

  @stefeman said: New? They're fucking dinosaurs. Older than i3d/Staminus/Black Lotus and had anti-ddos before OVHCloud and @seflow did.

  I'm talking about their anycast ddos protection, that is a relatively new product. I've seen hosts like vibegames just switch to them from path and every month there's a network problem because they are still fiddling around with the system.

  @stefeman said: New and upcoming. Became mainstream in 2023 after they ditched their 100% serverius anti-ddos. But was popular since 2020 locally in the netherlands.

  If they are seeking to block the biggest ddoses 2 pops isn't enough, and their NY location doesn't even have the same transits. It's going to be a long time before they have enough pops to be considered a suitable replacement for path let alone cosmic, unless they somehow get millions in funding.

  As far as I know, @RoyaleHosting is working hard to move New York to the new blend, excl. LibertyGlobal for obvious reasons. From what I understand, Stan wishes to visit NY in person in the coming weeks and finish the final touches until it can migrate to the new blend. I can't entirely agree with your statement that blocking large attacks with two POPs is impossible. More locations (and, of course, anycasting) make it easier to handle volumetric attacks, but as we've seen with other companies, it's not always that simple. Overall, software matters the most, which everyone, for some reason, is crap at. By all means, it's insane how much capacity Stan has in the Netherlands, being one of the largest networks in the Netherlands. I hope to see New York and his protection improve as it has been for a while. There are some issues with the protection running unconfigured/stock, but most of the time, they can be rectified using Shield Panel or opening a ticket. Overall, RoyaleHosting's services will be fine/better than competitors for most customers.

  Indeed! I will be going to New York and LA soon, I will be upgrading the network capacity and routers in New York (also switching to the new blend), as well as racking all the physical devices in LA to get LA operational.

  We are able to combat large attacks perfectly fine currently and have yet to run into a bandwidth limitation, however, having more pops would indeed increase mitigation capacity. Hence we are working on numerous additional locations.
• Nzov Member

  September 2024

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