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Reverse Proxy for a High Traffic Application

GetauschtGetauscht Member
edited August 2024 in Help

Hi everyone, how are you? I'm about to launch a new service and I need some advice on companies that offer the following service:

  • Reverse Proxy

Ok, I know just saying 'Reverse Proxy' is ambiguous. My product must work behind a Reverse Proxy that will act as a Load Balancer, it will suffer from very heavy data traffic, so my bandwidth usage will easily exceed 100TB. The cost arises when the user sends files and these files are redirected to another Proxy with LB, and this connects to a cluster that replicates the processing applications.

Something like this:

Ps.: Consider that after each LB there are many more proxies

Many people who see this would recommend Cloudflare, but it is not an interesting option for me due to privacy issues and the fact that they can easily hand over my data under legal pressure, this one driven by DMCA. Another interesting option would be DDO's Guard, but considering its very high price and especially its connection with the Russian government, it makes me suspicious, considering that I want to guarantee the privacy of my users (so China is not a very reliable option either). It does not necessarily need to be a Reverse Proxy, a VPS or Dedicated would be enough, since I could configure it myself.

Note that I have a very limited budget, considering that this product will not be billed and will depend solely on donations. Preference for payment in Cryptocurrencies (Monero/Bitcoin).

If there's anything I haven't made clear, feel free to ask!

Ps2.; It is not a porn site.

Ps3.: My available budget today is around $30/month, I hope to be able to increase it in the future.

Comments

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep

    You want to serve 100TB of (possibly) infringing content for the low budget of $30/month?

    Even excluding the nature of the content you are missing at-least one zero. With the nature of the content you are probably missing another.

    I suggest you reconsider your architecture (at-least).

    Thanked by 3zGato wa44io4 yoursunny
  • Maybe @Calin can help you with this.

  • LeviLevi Member

    Is this yet another iptv related piracy system?

  • @Levi said:
    Is this yet another iptv related piracy system?

    yea this is what I was thinking given the high bandwidth use.

  • @SplitIce said: You want to serve 100TB

    Yes, only transfer. 0 storage! In this, I am considering that both data input and output are counted. But if it is only data output, consider 50 TB in a high consumption scenario.

    Something that is already close to the 30TB of contabo or the 20TB of hetzner.

    @SplitIce said: (possibly) infringing content

    I intend to provide a contact on the website directly for DMCA requests, which would greatly reduce the requests directed to the provider. Because I hope to respond to all of them, and find a solution.

    But in the end, a provider that ignores DMCA or is very resilient is much easier to deal with than a desperate provider that suspends service at the first request it receives.

    @SplitIce said: low budget of $30/month

    I would really like a bigger budget, it would simplify things a lot.

    @SplitIce said: Even excluding the nature of the content you are missing at-least one zero. With the nature of the content you are probably missing another.

    Yes, it probably sounds crazy and it is. If I had two extra 0's in the budget, I would consider leasing an IP and deploying it to some shady host in Singapore.

    @SplitIce said: I suggest you reconsider your architecture (at-least).

    My infrastructure is very small, geared toward maximum performance to reduce costs. The biggest cost in my budget is file storage, and I can't change that.

    @concept said: Maybe @Calin can help you with this.

    I won't lie, their service is attractive. But I think most of the DMCA requests I'll get will come from the EU, so I don't know how much of an impact that could have.

    At some point, countries like Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and in the worst case scenario, Russia are the best options.
    And hosting in APAC is a tough decision, since most of my audience comes from South and Central America.


    Ps.: Even if I intend to implement region-locking waf, nothing prevents the provider from receiving some DMCA notification.

    Ps2. At some point i will want to implement GeoDNS, so the weight on this proxy will also decrease.

  • @concept said:
    Maybe @Calin can help you with this.

    His network isn't ready for this lol. 24/7 being DDOS-ed. Which tanks the network speed.

  • @concept said:

    @Levi said:
    Is this yet another iptv related piracy system?

    yea this is what I was thinking given the high bandwidth use.

    Although it may seem like it, it is not. They are basically images, gifs and in some cases, videos.

    The high throughput is mainly due to the fact that, when acting as the main reverse proxy, all data inputs (text and files) from the user will generate an output directly to the LB responsible for the data.

  • @Getauscht said:
    I won't lie, their service is attractive. But I think most of the DMCA requests I'll get will come from the EU, so I don't know how much of an impact that could have.

    At some point, countries like Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and in the worst case scenario, Russia are the best options.
    And hosting in APAC is a tough decision, since most of my audience comes from South and Central America.

    APAC wouldn't be the best given how much it costs for bandwidth and in addition to latency. Routing to Asia is all super congested.
    I think EU would still be the best. There are definitely some hosts that have no issues with receiving DMCA requests and offer more than enough bandwidth at a reasonable price.

  • @Silvest said:

    @concept said:
    Maybe @Calin can help you with this.

    His network isn't ready for this lol. 24/7 being DDOS-ed. Which tanks the network speed.

    I imagined that too, but the problem wouldn't be bandwidth. It would be the number of connections constantly established, either with other proxies or with the user.

    In the end, it would work like a DDO, even though receiving one is highly unlikely.

    And of course, the responsible for delivering static files to the user will not be this server.

  • @Getauscht said:

    @Silvest said:

    @concept said:
    Maybe @Calin can help you with this.

    His network isn't ready for this lol. 24/7 being DDOS-ed. Which tanks the network speed.

    I imagined that too, but the problem wouldn't be bandwidth. It would be the number of connections constantly established, either with other proxies or with the user.

    In the end, it would work like a DDO, even though receiving one is highly unlikely.

    And of course, the responsible for delivering static files to the user will not be this server.

    Trust me. You'd get lots of instability. Connection drops. Uptime. 24/7 DDOS so low network speeds, +30ms latency when traffic get's rerouted. Until these are resolved. Price is his only advantage

  • @concept said: APAC wouldn't be the best given how much it costs for bandwidth and in addition to latency. Routing to Asia is all super congested.

    APAC is very complicated, I've seen several products that in order to operate there satisfactorily, needed an edge replicating several data.

    @concept said: I think EU would still be the best. There are definitely some hosts that have no issues with receiving DMCA requests and offer more than enough bandwidth at a reasonable price.

    If you know of any that don't have a problem with these requests and accept crypto, that would be greatly appreciated. And of course, have a good infrastructure.

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  • @Silvest said: Trust me. You'd get lots of instability. Connection drops. Uptime. 24/7 DDOS so low network speeds, +30ms latency when traffic get's rerouted. Until these are resolved. Price is his only advantage

    From the list of issues, many things can be worked around, but poor uptime or latency that can reach +200ms would be disastrous. This would completely defeat the purpose of removing faulty instances of a service, from the Load Balancer, to prevent downtime or high response times.

    Thanked by 1concept
  • LeviLevi Member

    Ihostart is just for lulz, nothing even remotely resembling prod should be hosted there. Any day that shit show could be raided for massive dmca abuse and all circus would be over.

  • @Levi said: Ihostart is just for lulz

    i agree. can't think anyone using ihostart to host their critical sites or apps.
    just using for some file/vpn/notorious hosting by few.

  • Interesting, and it doesn't have an exorbitant price at the end of the day. I would just like to know how they calculate usage, if they consider all traffic (user -> server / server -> user), or only (server -> user).

  • LeviLevi Member
    edited August 2024

    @Getauscht said:

    Interesting, and it doesn't have an exorbitant price at the end of the day. I would just like to know how they calculate usage, if they consider all traffic (user -> server / server -> user), or only (server -> user).

    I would be more sceptical if you will be able to sustain 10Gbps on offered dedicated server. Usually 10G servers start from 256GB RAM and soke beefy cpu.

  • AndreiPerjuAndreiPerju Member, Host Rep

    I did this kind of solution for a gouvernamental intitution.

    4 servers for database, 6 servers for webservers and 2 servers for haproxy. The buget for hosting this can increase up to 3-4k USD per month., not even close up to 30USD...

  • alexhostalexhost Member, Patron Provider

    Hi,

    You can check our dedicated servers
    https://alexhost.com/dedicated-servers/

    No KYC is required if you pay with Crypto (we have Monero)

    Best Regards,
    Alexhost

  • justaguyjustaguy Member, Host Rep

    @Getauscht said:

    Interesting, and it doesn't have an exorbitant price at the end of the day. I would just like to know how they calculate usage, if they consider all traffic (user -> server / server -> user), or only (server -> user).

    Just like almost every CDN, only server --> user
    I dont even think i would be able to measure "inbound" traffic

  • @AndreiPerju said:
    I did this kind of solution for a gouvernamental intitution.

    4 servers for database, 6 servers for webservers and 2 servers for haproxy. The buget for hosting this can increase up to 3-4k USD per month., not even close up to 30USD...

    Government Institutions really consume a lot of resources, they can easily receive 100k req/s. Without considering Keep-Alive requests.

    But in my case I don't expect to receive more than 30k req/s. And since the data is mostly text, the requirement for multiple cores is not that big.

    The need for a very low-cost dedicated server arises during peak hours, when the CPU may be at 100% for 1 or 2 hours. This would normally happen during prime time. I know that a VPS could easily handle this, but many providers tend to dislike prolonged high CPU usage, as it could degrade the experience of other customers.

    @alexhost said:
    Hi,

    You can check our dedicated servers
    https://alexhost.com/dedicated-servers/

    No KYC is required if you pay with Crypto (we have Monero)

    Best Regards,
    Alexhost

    Thank you, I will calmly evaluate your product!

    @justaguy said:

    @Getauscht said:

    Interesting, and it doesn't have an exorbitant price at the end of the day. I would just like to know how they calculate usage, if they consider all traffic (user -> server / server -> user), or only (server -> user).

    Just like almost every CDN, only server --> user
    I dont even think i would be able to measure "inbound" traffic

    I see, thanks for the reply. I thought you charged for incoming traffic, directed to the server. If it's only outgoing, it makes everything easier to calculate.

    Thanked by 1alexhost
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