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Telegram founder Pavel Durov Arrested
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It is because of (in harry potter style)
"You-Know-Who", "Country-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named"
Ah yes because banning child porn is censorship.
If they truly believe in censorship free communication, then they'd be E2EE by default. Moxie isn't getting arrested...
Telegram team just posted this on their news channel:
Nobody has claimed that. The claim is that they’re responsible for handeling said abuse.
What a weird way to purposely twist words to make it seem like something it’s not.
Its kind of stupid act regardless. it will only push the remaining staff to Russian arms, which causes people to change platform unless that's exactly the plan and EU wants it's own citizens to use compromised services like whatsapp and facebook messanger lol.
He was arrested and the trial hasn't happened yet. You are acting like he was sentenced to death.
The only weird thing to me is that he was arrested instead of just being summoned to court? I don't think Zuckerberg was arrested for his court trials or any other executive in similar cases really.
Can you cite a reliable source for this?
I read in Le Monde (French newspaper) that he was arrested with his bodyguard and "assistant". They write "assistante" so it's a female assistant. They don't say girlfriend, but it doesn't mean she isn't.
Nothing weird about that. Any suspect may be detained if there's a significant likelihood he might attempt to escape or avoid legal proceedings - a trial or court appearance.
Zuckerberg most likely did not ignore the commission or court's request and pose a high risk of fleeing.
It's most likely just detention. People, including reporters and LET members
, often confuse detention with arrest.
An arrest usually involves charges being filed against the person, while detention can occur without formal charges for questioning or investigation, and the person may be released after a short time. Detention is often used to investigate whether there is enough evidence to make an arrest.
I guess that there's a difference between saying something like "Durov was with his assistant and bodyguard when he was arrested" versus "Durov, his assistant, and his bodyguard were all arrested"
This has already happened and in the future, the number of users of any messenger outside the EU or USA will only increase. Europeans, like any other people in the world, like freedom of speech.
People now better understand that declaration is not always has relations with real world.
They may be detained for questioning anyway. I would say this is a pretty normal procedure in such cases, not only to gather information but also to secure any potential evidence, etc...
This is, I believe, the best summary of the situation. Telegram wants to be censorship free but refuses to implement regional blocking circumvention tools and e2e encryption on all messages, group chats, and voice calls like Signal. Not only do they refuse to do that, but they have publically said they are willing to turn over user data to corporate with government requests. This is the main issue imo. They have trapped themselves in a situation where they have the ability and systems to investigate user data, but obviously do not want to always do so either out of laziness or their own personal view of free speech on their platform. They either need to do a Signal and encrypt everything and refuse any government request for user data since its encrypted or be a regular social media like Twitter or Discord. The weird limbo they are in just makes it ripe for situations like this.
I re-read the article in French and indeed, it reads more like "Durov was with his assistant and bodyguard when he was arrested" rather than "Durov, his assistant, and his bodyguard were all arrested" (even though I don't think it's absolutely clear in French). Sorry for the confusion.
The sentence in French : "Accompagné de son garde du corps et de son assistante qui le suivent en permanence, le milliardaire franco-russe de 39 ans a été interpellé entre 19 h 30 et 20 heures."
Okay, you're probably right, but if his assistant and his bodyguard were merely detained for questioning, then they weren't arrested
(It wasn't you who said otherwise
)
Or to put pressure, not even on the accused, but on the witness. Prison is not good place for life.
Oui, effectivement, ce n'est que lui qui a été interpellé
Well, detention is still a form of taking someone's freedom, even if it's just temporary. In fact, Durov is most likely just a detainee as well as there's a significant likelihood he might attempt to escape or avoid legal proceedings if they give him just formal request to appear on the court.
Just for transparency, as far as I can tell, it's not yet clear that Durov's assistant and bodyguard were detained for questioning. Perhaps they were, but I have yet to see a clear statement of this
As far as Durov himself is concerned, many sources state that he was arrested (and not merely detained)
I think it is weird exactly because I don't think he would flee/avoid the court proceedings.
But apparently the French thought so or there really is something bigger going on.
I haven't followed the case closely, but have charges already been filed? If not, it's technically still detention. However, that’s likely all the same to reporters.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2kz9kn93o & https://apnews.com/article/france-russia-telegram-paris-durov-arrest-63cd8e5663c6b6f3404745866d662954
BBC and Apnews as example use both terms in their article
Washingtonpost the same https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/08/25/durov-telegram-detention-france/
So if someone uses an encrypted iPhone to commit crime (iMessage, Facetime), is Apple complicit?
Musk is bought and paid for. No coincidence that his Ru investors and financiers want to cover up what's happening now, to prevent investigation into what their own government was guilty of just 3 years ago.
The "Russian soul" at play, ladies and gents. Always happy with less, or at least pretends to be to spite those darn westerners.
India banned TikTok. If the US did the same, I wouldn't shed a tear. Goodbye to the largest CCP owned and CCP operated propaganda farm.
I won't cease to support Ukraine against Russian terror just because western governments are imperfect. Fighting authoritarianism abroad and at home are equally important.
This is the lie they pay for you to believe. The Russian mindset is designed to cope with their own society's shortcomings by projecting onto the walls of their neighbors.
You yourself perfectly show how your mind has been damaged by Western propaganda. Your position is absolutely based on false claims and hatred towards Russians.
Except for some Westerners, no one trusts Western media anymore. The era when the West could claim that someone was a dictator is over, because anyone with an objective point of view can see the vast distance between the Western declaration and reality.
Drivers in Canada, people who had nothing to do with the American Capitol, and people who criticized the grand lies about the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccination, continue to be imprisoned and lose their businesses and professions due to similar accusations and lies.
Therefore, shut up and keep quiet.
You aren't fighting shit, you're spamming up a thread about the Telegram owner (who left Russia and gave up citizenship) on a server hosting forum. Please stop, this forum literally has a containment thread for this topic you are so passionate about