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Telegram founder Pavel Durov Arrested
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It’s because the government has tried and failed to retrieve information they want to access (easily).
Now they catch him and force him to implement some backdoor.
No one will ever ban SMS Gmail or WhatsApp, WeChat since the content of those are easily accessible.
Ok caveman
They are all in the US.
Also the US officials have responded to the International Criminal Court, when its chief prosecutor, Karim Ahmad Khan tried to issue an arrest warrant for israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Google that. The equality in that answer is overwhelming.
Literally every other social media platform has "proper" moderation standards.
Except TikTok, which will either become an american company as well, or will get banned for the sake of Equality, Freedom, and Democracy™.
This.
See this cut from the recent Durov's interview to Tucker Carlson: "We got too much attention from the FBI, the security agencies..." (🎥 that's a video, click the picture ↓ ):
I guess the service will not be affected? He must be prepared for this day...
He has 0 influence on telegram technical side. He is mere money taker, nothing else.
I don't think it's Telegram support's responsibility to determine whether a group on its service is illegal just as it isn't a hosting provider's responsibility determine whether a customer is doing illegal things.
That's what court orders or copyright complaint legislation is for.
Having uneducated workers in a sweatshop police social media like it is commonplace on mainstream platforms is a slippery slope and leads to censorship.
Assange's case is so different that it's pretty much a false comparison
Durov's case and Dotcom's case show more similarities
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If he gets extradicted to USA, I will become the biggest russia shill this forum has ever seen. Currently im pro ukraine, but little things like this makes me question if we are really for the freedom or becoming the soviets ourselves.
We should not treat things differently even if it has some beneficial political value. Telegram was good platform without any censorship whatsoever, but given how russian leadership use telegram, it looks like western values don't really matter if its beneficial for us, then we can throw everything we fight for into trashcan for more benefits. How are we different from russians then?
Are you a zombified orc who wants to invade other countries for monetary gain? Stand your ground, don’t let kremlin views to poison toyr mind and soul. It is very tempting, feels right, feels good…. But in reality it is lies, deception and manipulation.
You are on a very dangerous mind path. Remember - who invaded who. That’s it.
There are no political differences between the West, East or South. Only the interests of elites really exist. Slogans about democracy, freedom of speech and equality are, alas, just slogans that are used to confuse ordinary people's minds.
Although I said that Durov's case and Dotcom's case show more similarities (than either case shows to Assange's case), they're also quite different as well
If you mean Durov, is there any reason at this time to believe that the US want Durov to be extradited from France to the US?
Don't listen to kremlin, don't listen to yourself, listen to Levi only.
Levi knows best for you.
Remember, israel is the most peaceful country on the planet
He mentioned in the Carlson interview that during Jan 6 Telegram was contacted by both Democrat and Republican senators(?). The democrats wanted information on protestors citing their constitution, the republicans told them to not release information, also citing their constitution
Who knows if France is acting on behalf of the US. We have certainly seen with Assange or Snowden that most countries are very willing to act as puppets for the US. But France also has their own political opposition to deal with.
Okay, but this is still very far from an extradition request
Right, who knows: at this time, we don't know
As I said above, Assange's case is/was very different, and Snowden's case as well
France may well have had their own reasons for arresting Durov
@angstrom I’m sure we’ll get information on what exactly triggered this arrest in not too long
According to the French press that I read; the arrest warrant is not new. There are numerous proceedings involving Telegram in France, related to child pornography, drug trafficking, support for terrorism, cyberstalking etc. It's because of the lack of cooperation in these cases and the deficient moderation that he was arrested.
I hope that's the case, otherwise EU is basically an US colony at that point with no mind of its own. I don't mind having same goals as US in terms of politics, but this must be our own choice. Otherwise we're just servants that repeat our master's words.
Cause arrest like this would otherwise indicate that EU just follows any request with no questions asked.
In fact, before creating many theories about what caused and what resulted, it would be nice for everyone to see the court order that led to the arrest.
Because arrest can be a temporary measure to prevent a witness from leaving the country.
Therefore, it is necessary to understand the contents of the order: whether Durov is being involved as a witness or an accused.
If he is an accused, then of what he is accused.
I suspect that this is correct
(Even if the US happen to agree with France about these issues regarding Durov and Telegram, this doesn't mean that France arrested Durov because the US pressured them to do so)
It happened to us back last year causing our site to be down for 15 days !!
even with cooperation , you can get arrested and made a random excuse for arrest , power of government
Just to be clear, I was quoting @fredo1664
I don't doubt that this can happen in many countries (unfortunately), but I don't think that this ("a random excuse for arrest") would play out well in France, but we'll see. (I may be mistaken)
Well it is very hard chance to stand in court in fake cases
But police is there to arrest you even with random explanations/reasons, if they are under external pressure from GOD country of the world .
A French citizen allegedly broke French law and was arrested when they entered France...
Nobody made him take French citizenship and nobody made him travel to France, where he presumably knew there was a warrant for his arrest, so the reactions here seem a bit excitable
Are you sure it's not because of them evil blue-eyed people?
I hope "they" dont turn it into a story/incidents like Debian's Ian Murdock.
BTW. His girlfriend also is arrested. Interesting for what:)? May be because Macron do not love woman?
PS. I can imagine what would be happen in western media if (it is just for example) Musk or Zuckerberg would be arrested in Russia for same reason:)
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Some birdie said that his girlfriend's name is Julia Vavilova and her Twitch page is @JuliVavilova. There she is (Probably)ю She said she was on vacation and would be back in six days.
https://www.securemessagingapps.com Good site for comparing Telegram and all the alternatives