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Buying from stacksocial.com ?

Hi folks,

stacksocial.com, are they trustable? Just saw some deal there about Windows 11 https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro-6 that looks suspiciously cheap .

Not sure if Stacksocial do verify sellers before list them.

What is your experience? Thanks in advance.

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  • zhuyezhuye Member

    I don't know, the price seems incredible, is this genuine?

  • @zhuye said:
    I don't know, the price seems incredible, is this genuine?

    Not sure, that's why I'm asking here for opinions.

  • kenjing789kenjing789 Member
    edited July 2024

    Stacksocial is like market place , what you buy from there is not from them but verified partner.
    Stuff ypu buy from there is guaranteer delivery and protected by stacksocial
    Imagine it like g2a but less scam and more trust seller

    Thanked by 3neboysha JasonM Chuck
  • ordinancebordinanceb Member
    edited July 2024

    So these are valid, genuine keys, however their source is the shady part. They are usually from programs such as MSDN or equivalent. Always violating the license agreement for them to sell and and you to use, however Microsoft would rather you use their OS and they don't really seem to care for personal use. It will activate. It likely won't deactivate. But it may not activate again in the future if you change your hardware enough to require reactivation. Bonus points for activation if you tie it to your Microsoft Account. As mentioned above G2A and Kinguin, as well as ebay are riddled with them.

    Thanked by 2neboysha Chuck
  • @kenjing789 said:
    Imagine it like g2a but less scam and more trust seller

    What is wrong with g2a?

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited July 2024

    @ordinanceb said:
    So these are valid, genuine keys, however their source is the shady part. They are usually from programs such as MSDN or equivalent. Always violating the license agreement for them to sell and and you to use, however Microsoft would rather you use their OS and they don't really seem to care for personal use. It will activate. It likely won't deactivate. But it may not activate again in the future if you change your hardware enough to require reactivation. Bonus points for activation if you tie it to your Microsoft Account. As mentioned above G2A and Kinguin, as well as ebay are riddled with them.

    Microsoft doesn't like it, but there was an Court of Justice of the European Union ruling that allowed the sale of previously owned licenses within EU and EEA:

    https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

    The CJEU judgement in Case C-128/11 UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. says that “An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet. The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale.”

    This means that the sale of “used” and redundant software products is legal. This judgement created a safe, legal framework for the whole European Union ensuring a fair and healthy competition on the European market.

    The judgement also states that:

    • Perpetual software can be traded freely = the ownership right can be transferred from one acquirer to another.
    • The distribution rights of the producer are exhausted upon the first sale of the software. Customers who bought a computer program on a free market are entitled to use the purchased software and then sell it further (for example to a software broker such as Forscope) provided that they uninstall it and no longer use it.
    • Even if the resale of software is specifically forbidden by a license agreement between the manufacturer (= the copyright holder) and the first acquirer, the manufacturer cannot oppose the resale of that copy. The license agreement is subject to the European law and points which are in conflict with the European law are void.
    • There is no difference between the manners of distribution. Software can be distributed by a physical carrier (e.g. CD, DVD) or online (= digitally). The copyright holder cannot demand remuneration for further resale of the software copy because the appropriate remuneration was obtained during the first sale.
      Source: https://www.forscope.eu/blog/legal-side-of-used-software/

    and

    A recent European Court of Justice (ECJ) decision has confirmed that organisations can resell "used" software licences, regardless of whether they were purchased in a physical form or downloaded from the internet.
    In addition to opening up greater competition in the software market and allowing organisations legitimately to source additional software licences from the second-hand market (as opposed to from an authorised reseller), the decision also means that organisations may be able to make better use of the intellectual assets on their balance sheet.
    Source: https://brodies.com/insights/ip-technology-and-data/european-court-confirms-the-right-to-resell-used-software-licences/

    and

    EU Court Says, Yes, You Can Resell Your Software, Even If The Software Company Says You Can't
    Source: https://www.techdirt.com/2012/07/03/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant/

    and

    EU court rules resale of used software licenses is legal — even online
    Source: https://www.computerworld.com/article/1530110/eu-court-rules-resale-of-used-software-licenses-is-legal-even-online-2.html

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  • lirrrlirrr Member

    I brought the windscribe lifetime deal, lifetime adguard
    they are legit

    Thanked by 1neboysha
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Waiting ECJ allow reselling VPS without fees even if provider wants to charge transfer fee.

    Thanked by 1Mumbly
  • MumblyMumbly Member

    @yoursunny said:
    Waiting ECJ allow reselling VPS without fees even if provider wants to charge transfer fee.

    Haha, good one :)

  • VoidVoid Member

    I’ve bought a few lifetime/non-lifetime stuff and they’re all legit. Read the ToS very carefully.

    Thanked by 1neboysha
  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    Never had any issues with them. Do your research on the product and merchant

    Thanked by 1neboysha
  • stxshstxsh Member

    @Void said:
    I’ve bought a few lifetime/non-lifetime stuff and they’re all legit. Read the ToS very carefully.

    This. I've got a bunch of stuff from them -- some companies fail entirely, but that's expected from some of those deals. As long as you know what you're willing to lose, you should be fine. The Windows Licenses are as safe as most, if you have an issue with it, they'll send over a new one. I once bought a AdGuard lifetime subscription license that was already redeemed, I contacted them and they sent over a new one, which I've been using for the last 3-4 years.

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  • @neboysha said:
    Hi folks,

    stacksocial.com, are they trustable? Just saw some deal there about Windows 11 https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro-6 that looks suspiciously cheap .

    Not sure if Stacksocial do verify sellers before list them.

    What is your experience? Thanks in advance.

    Check with Microsoft with product key and you will be enlightened.

    Working key does not necessarily mean it is licensing compliant

    Thanked by 2neboysha ordinanceb
  • @dev_vps said:

    @neboysha said:
    Hi folks,

    stacksocial.com, are they trustable? Just saw some deal there about Windows 11 https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-windows-11-pro-6 that looks suspiciously cheap .

    Not sure if Stacksocial do verify sellers before list them.

    What is your experience? Thanks in advance.

    Check with Microsoft with product key and you will be enlightened.

    Working key does not necessarily mean it is licensing compliant

    How do you check the key with Microsoft, to get Microsoft's determination whether the key is license compliant?

  • mwmw Member

    @lirrr said:
    I brought the windscribe lifetime deal, lifetime adguard
    they are legit

    heads up, all of us that bought lifetime via Stacksocial have to have proof of purchase once the 10yr Windscribe lifetime lapses to get it renewed. make sure you save it otherwise they won’t renew the term

  • @JosephF said:

    What is wrong with g2a?

    People steal credit card info, buy keys, and sell the keys on G2A. Eventually, the bank finds out, cancels the card, and charges back the transactions. The key you bought gets revoked and you can't get a refund.

    It got so bad that some devs were telling people to pirate their games instead of buying from G2A.

  • @yoursunny said:
    Waiting ECJ allow reselling VPS without fees even if provider wants to charge transfer fee.

    :D

  • VoidVoid Member

    @mikewazar said:

    @lirrr said:
    I brought the windscribe lifetime deal, lifetime adguard
    they are legit

    heads up, all of us that bought lifetime via Stacksocial have to have proof of purchase once the 10yr Windscribe lifetime lapses to get it renewed. make sure you save it otherwise they won’t renew the term

    Windscribe music stops.

  • lirrrlirrr Member

    @mikewazar said:

    @lirrr said:
    I brought the windscribe lifetime deal, lifetime adguard
    they are legit

    heads up, all of us that bought lifetime via Stacksocial have to have proof of purchase once the 10yr Windscribe lifetime lapses to get it renewed. make sure you save it otherwise they won’t renew the term

    Got the pdf of receipt in my dropbox already, but thank for the heads up

    Thanked by 1mw
  • mwmw Member

    @Void said:

    @mikewazar said:

    @lirrr said:
    I brought the windscribe lifetime deal, lifetime adguard
    they are legit

    heads up, all of us that bought lifetime via Stacksocial have to have proof of purchase once the 10yr Windscribe lifetime lapses to get it renewed. make sure you save it otherwise they won’t renew the term

    Windscribe music stops.

    nope. they do this check because of how rampant credential stuffing is. they have no issue renewing accounts as long as you have -some- form of proof that you didn’t buy the account from some fraud forum marketplace

  • @Mumbly said:

    @ordinanceb said:
    So these are valid, genuine keys, however their source is the shady part. They are usually from programs such as MSDN or equivalent. Always violating the license agreement for them to sell and and you to use, however Microsoft would rather you use their OS and they don't really seem to care for personal use. It will activate. It likely won't deactivate. But it may not activate again in the future if you change your hardware enough to require reactivation. Bonus points for activation if you tie it to your Microsoft Account. As mentioned above G2A and Kinguin, as well as ebay are riddled with them.

    Microsoft doesn't like it, but there was an Court of Justice of the European Union ruling that allowed the sale of previously owned licenses within EU and EEA:

    https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

    The CJEU judgement in Case C-128/11 UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. says that “An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet. The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale.”

    This means that the sale of “used” and redundant software products is legal. This judgement created a safe, legal framework for the whole European Union ensuring a fair and healthy competition on the European market.

    The judgement also states that:

    • Perpetual software can be traded freely = the ownership right can be transferred from one acquirer to another.
    • The distribution rights of the producer are exhausted upon the first sale of the software. Customers who bought a computer program on a free market are entitled to use the purchased software and then sell it further (for example to a software broker such as Forscope) provided that they uninstall it and no longer use it.
    • Even if the resale of software is specifically forbidden by a license agreement between the manufacturer (= the copyright holder) and the first acquirer, the manufacturer cannot oppose the resale of that copy. The license agreement is subject to the European law and points which are in conflict with the European law are void.
    • There is no difference between the manners of distribution. Software can be distributed by a physical carrier (e.g. CD, DVD) or online (= digitally). The copyright holder cannot demand remuneration for further resale of the software copy because the appropriate remuneration was obtained during the first sale.
      Source: https://www.forscope.eu/blog/legal-side-of-used-software/

    and

    A recent European Court of Justice (ECJ) decision has confirmed that organisations can resell "used" software licences, regardless of whether they were purchased in a physical form or downloaded from the internet.
    In addition to opening up greater competition in the software market and allowing organisations legitimately to source additional software licences from the second-hand market (as opposed to from an authorised reseller), the decision also means that organisations may be able to make better use of the intellectual assets on their balance sheet.
    Source: https://brodies.com/insights/ip-technology-and-data/european-court-confirms-the-right-to-resell-used-software-licences/

    and

    EU Court Says, Yes, You Can Resell Your Software, Even If The Software Company Says You Can't
    Source: https://www.techdirt.com/2012/07/03/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant/

    and

    EU court rules resale of used software licenses is legal — even online
    Source: https://www.computerworld.com/article/1530110/eu-court-rules-resale-of-used-software-licenses-is-legal-even-online-2.html

    I'm surprised that got ruled. I wonder how it would be interpreted in this case (OP). The software from MSDN (Visual Studio Subscription) or similar programs like DreamSpark aren't meant or offered for sale though and I'm not sure they would pass the scrutiny in the above case. They are offered as testing for non production, non end user use except for short term testing.

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    I used Stacksocial multiple times. I had no issues, so I recommend them.

    With regards to the product... that is a different story. For example I do not like Windows.

    Thanked by 1neboysha
  • If the ECJ ruling is what’s enabling these sales, why spend 20 bucks when you could get the same key for €1 on allcdkeys.

  • massgrave is cheaper

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  • VoidVoid Member

    @budi1413 said:
    massgrave is cheaper

    It is literally free but there might be situations where it cannot be used.

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @Mumbly said:

    I knew it would be ruled on eventually, did not know it had already happened...

    Still waiting for it to be enforced though..... Blizzard, Epic, Steam, and all the "stores".

  • I bought some lifetime VPN plan from them 2 years back, till date it is still working. So I think it is a good marketplace

    Thanked by 1neboysha
  • @JerryHou said:
    I bought some lifetime VPN plan from them 2 years back, till date it is still working. So I think it is a good marketplace

    Which brand VPN?

  • @JosephF said:

    @JerryHou said:
    I bought some lifetime VPN plan from them 2 years back, till date it is still working. So I think it is a good marketplace

    Which brand VPN?

    I think it was "Private Internet Access" and it cost me about $40 for lifetime plan.

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @neboysha said: stacksocial.com, are they trustable?

    Usually ok unless you need to contact their support.. Their support team is useless. Just a waste of time.. Pretty sure their strategy is just to waste time until you give up.

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