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is this guy abusing Cloudflare or not?

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  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @nillyhan said: Wait, as jpeg really? Why are they even doing this? This should be slow as hell even if cached by superfast cdn networks, just because too many images have to be sent.

    And then,

    @jahrinc said: Yep, taken from their video.m3u8

    for example..

    Along with many of the other comments, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't alone, I thought we were talking about using actual jpeg images.. Not files named .jpeg or .jpeg.

    It is silly that calling the file .jpg gets around their streaming media policy.. They have the capacity and budgets to see what the content is, just looking at the metadata of the files.

    Neat and I wonder how long it will last.

  • @kevinds said:
    Neat and I wonder how long it will last.

    Forever because its not hard to fake a jpeg header. Split your media files, add header, send out / cache at CF, and in the clients browser you use js to strip out the fake header. So unless they are doing deeper inspection to recognize the original header or data type = expense gone up!

    You can counter with some kind of basic encryption + fake header and decrypt in client, if they really do deep inspection. I suspect they know this and why they simply do not bother. And they rely on data volume to see who misuses the service. Simpler and more costly for the misuser, as you need multiple domains / more ips / ... as those are ways to detect a combination of traffic misuse.

  • TangeTange Member

    @Benjiro29 said:

    @kevinds said:
    You would think they would be able to detect the content they are serving though, especially when they like to convert jpeg images to webp.

    Yea, its just h.264 video that has been cut into pieces, and renamed as jpeg. I checked the binary from a few chunks and amazingly even the header information is basic video format (and you can even spot FFmpeg in the first 2kb of the chunk lol)

    Each Chunk seems to be between 12 to 18MB "jpegs", so they stay under a specific size and these probably align with i-frames in the video file?

    For some reason Cloudflare does no checks on files... Maybe they do so much data, that checking every file eats too much resources. Makes sense, especially with images etc...

    What i want to know more, is where they hell are they storing that amount of data. I was wrong, as the "HD" section alone has over 188k video's, so it was not 150k. The chunk i am looking at right now, was 720p but with a 3.5k bitrate. Rather high...

    And yea, almost all seem to be full blown movies, as they all have 1.5 to 2.5h runtimes (on those that i researched :D )...

    So we are not talking 200TB but probably 500TB+ ... Cheapest i can find is probably around 1.2 Euro / TB, if you run your own servers, but anything cloud is expensive as hell. Think the cheapest is like China with Baidu Cloud, but that was still almost 3 dollar, and no way those files are hosted their unencrypted (Chinese cloud providers scan for porn and other "illegal" content). So at minimum they are paying 1.5k / month, but probably more for some backups or other failsafe in their data.

    i guess you didn't involved in the streaming business,right?

    i have a friend who has a very small "movie site", he only got 2000-2500 unique visitors per day (Google says), this small site only have 3 ads, 1 pop-under ,1 banner and 1 webcam. pop-under generate 100 USD/mo, banner=30 USD/mo, webcam=120-200/mo , so that is at least 250-330/mo .

    so storage is not the problem, the bandwidth is, the cheapest CDN on the market is 4-5 USD/TB, that is expensive, eat your most profit. those missav guys use bunnyCDN back in the days, but they got like 40 Million unique visitors (similarweb) at that time, once they switch to CF, the traffic BOOM, i guess CF has the better network LOL,

    one important thing is porn site visitors use less bandwidth than normal movie site users, because once you jerkoff, you leave the site, how many minutes you need to jerkoff, do your math.

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  • @Tange said:
    i guess you didn't involved in the streaming business,right?

    i have a friend who has a very small "movie site", he only got 2000-2500 unique visitors per day (Google says), this small site only have 3 ads, 1 pop-under ,1 banner and 1 webcam. pop-under generate 100 USD/mo, banner=30 USD/mo, webcam=120-200/mo , so that is at least 250-330/mo .

    so storage is not the problem, the bandwidth is, the cheapest CDN on the market is 4-5 USD/TB, that is expensive, eat your most profit. those missav guys use bunnyCDN back in the days, but they got like 40 Million unique visitors (similarweb) at that time, once they switch to CF, the traffic BOOM, i guess CF has the better network LOL,

    one important thing is porn site visitors use less bandwidth than normal movie site users, because once you jerkoff, you leave the site, how many minutes you need to jerkoff, do your math.

    True ... and technically you can serve more ads as they browse more clips/movies. But you also have less income, because ads have a lower income / view, then more "legit" sites.

    Yesterday doing some research, and via a other forums, one guy quote as earning 70~150$ per day, on a site with 2000 movies/clips that he started running about a year ago. But a lot of people never earn money from these type of sites. Does not help that so many just buy templates and think because they upload some movies, that its instant $$$$ .. You need to add more value then the next guy (that does the same) to grow.

    @Tange said:
    i guess you didn't involved in the streaming business,right?

    No, just working on a small cloud project for comics/manga/novels/etc but legally (aka, people upload cbr/cbz or provide a torrent or nzb file or a link to scrap a website), as i do not offer things directly. And they have their own individual protected accounts.

    Its something that has grown out me being frustrated with the online offers, and how annoying programs integrate. Not consumer friendly or limited. Think Backblaze meets Plex meets Debrit.

    Not starting with Movies as normal storage is already a head pain. That is why all these tricks and how the big boy are doing it, are, well, ... interesting! Especially as a startup, where you do not want to spend loads of money on a project that may fail.

  • Bro, because of you, I lost my temper and went to this site. You are a tempting serpent

  • Stop making this a big issue please.

  • who know missav how they use clouf
    are cdn,pay or free use

  • forget about the porn, this site is a technological masterpiece.

    Youtube wishes they were this smooth and fast.

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  • My friend's website uses PBs of data in a day via CF proxy.

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