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Thanks - we're happy to help @casey7398. However, QuickPacket also measures bandwidth usage at the public switch port level for the servers where we meter bandwidth usage. Our intention is not to bill for internal traffic, but this is just the easiest way for us to meter. We are willing to connect the second NIC of the server(s) either to each other (in the case of two servers in the same data center) or to a private network switch port, where traffic is free, and we can put all of a customer's servers private network ports in a private VLAN. Lots of options with how this is all setup and we're very willing to do custom things! Most of this setup can be done for free or low cost.
We also have many configurations available beyond those listed on our site, and we're happy to build something custom to meet a customer requirement.
Please feel free to DM me to discuss further, or I'm also available on Discord (user qps), or other chat platforms if you prefer one of those.
Idk.
For our dedicated server customers we give everyone their own VLAN with a subnet attached.
They get 40 Gbps LAN traffic between all their servers and 250 Mbps 95th on 10 Gbps public port.
We only monitor the outgoing port, LAN traffic is unlimited.
You're 0 for 2 on LowEndHosts. Perhaps there is a reason why you pay companies like AWS more to host your critical infrastructure.
Ever heard of opportunity cost?
I guess so! I suppose I didnt realize just how low end some of the providers are here! o3o
What bothers me the most - the lack of automation. Is it not normal for large dedi or vps providers to auto provision internal IP? It is normal to assume that big clients will order multiple servers and will want interconnect between them. It is so primitive to charge extra for vlan.
You -as standard- offer 40Gbit internally to "everyone"?
Yes, everyone gets it.
Offering 40Gbit private uplink is not more expensive than your standard 1 / 10 Gbps tbh. To give you a feel for pricing.
One may buy something like: https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050QX-32_32S_Datasheet.pdf. It's a 40G datacenter switch. Current pricing on Ebay is 200 USD
For the servers themselves you need a NIC + QSPF cable. It costs 25 USD each per server:
For 40G NIC + QSPF pricing, based on last purchase:
(Lot of 5) Amphenol QSFP 3M Cable 038-004-067-01 UNUSED #95
US $32.00 / $6.4 each
Mellanox MCX314A-BCCT 40GB 2-Port QSFP+ PCI-E Low Profile
Quantity : 3
US $44.97 / $14.99 each
If you’re offering 40G as standard, you are absolutely not industry norm lmao but god damn, who do you represent? would love to look at your configurations
Technically strong developer uses 100Gbps private network.
40Gbps is for weaklings.
Tier.net was able to come through and get us exactly what we needed! Unmetered, direct interconnects, immediate deployment and fair pricing. Great service and would recommend highly!
I have considered getting 100 Gbps. I like low-cost so I'd get https://www.ebay.com/itm/196385918913. I only see 100 Gbps being useful in an all nvme Ceph storage cluster
For public internet anything higher than 10 Gbps is a waste. It's not like all the mirrors, GitHub etc have higher than 10G anyway.
It’s not actually that common that people want private connectivity between their servers. It’s for sure a sales discussions as it incurs extra cost to provide.
If NJ/NYC works for you, @RoyaleHosting might be able to meet your connectivity needs.
Thank you for the mention!
We would be happy to help out, if OP could email us at [email protected] we can look into the options
i still want to know who @ezeth reps
Boomer host, a provider that offered $5/year OpenVZ containers with massive overselling and monthlong downtime.
I'm confused as to why the problem is so big. I think he was just asking about "industry standards" and had no intention of cornering the provider.
Mainly private networking is one-time fee and usually unmetered, there are no industry standard thing. It's all on provider.
Is there such thing as a metered private network?
Of course! As well as serup fee for vlan.
If I'm correct that's what OP is saying. They are charging him for bandwidth between those servers.
What OP was saying is that his server provider (clouvider), like most small/medium server providers meters bandwidth at the switch-port. This is pretty much the "industry standard" for lack of better wording. This also means it is not easily possible to differentiate between internal and external bandwidth/traffic.
OP assumed that the Provider of his choice would automatically differentiate between "bandwidth between servers" and "transit". Then there was a big surprise when they discovered that the advertised "data transfer" is regardless of destination (local or via transit).
So this situation would have unfolded exactly the same way across most providers here.
From this thread we know that the customer was informed about the option to get a private network (that would not be metered like the "uplink port" of the server(s)) - However we do not know what the pricing would have been.
Personally i think with most reasonable and good providers here, its not an issue to get a second network drop/link to connect multiple servers you have with them in the same dc/location.
I can think of a number of examples where that could be the case and make sense.
However most of these cases involve services that the "lowend" service providers typically don't offer.
For example "E-Line" / "E-Lan", MPLS type of services, ...think... "private networking" between different physical locations (maybe even in different cities/countries). Those would either be "port cap/limit" (hardware, or via shaper/policier for bandwith limitation) or could be billed 95th percentile / burstable ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burstable_billing ).
For MyRootPW as an example i can offer a private network/L2 type of service that spans Vienna to Amsterdam with different termination points.....
Having used numerous large hosts, only seen Hetzner offering unlimited internal traffic on their 10GE links.
Yes, they were. Very edgy and sometimes downright mean. They then took a pause, came back, and seemed better. This was a disappointment.
“Unlimited” billed at €1/TB
Sorry meant internal (hetzner to hetzner)
I really hoped they'd end up being more mature, I know I definitely make a point to avoid dealing with them due to their behavior and I'm sure a lot of other serious customers do the same.
Definitely, and it’s sad because this forum needs to keep on having a fair amount of knowledgable and serious long-term providers to compensate for the come-and-go providers.
I sometimes feel Clouvider belongs to the serious kind but it seems it’s always a question of time until I’m proven wrong.
Serious providers need serious customers, and behaving like this just draws people away.
Some providers charge $5-$10 per TB on overages