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Kiwifarms uses Incognet as we speak, stalker child. You're going to prison.
Are you saying that incognet hosting cp and covering this with "free speech", "freedom of expression", "neutrality", "we are not police" bullshit?
There is no CP being hosted there.
Omg, so epik lied in a tweet?
Yeah, everyone lies on the Internet.
Who would just get on the internet and lie?
My 2 fav memes:
@kait
Especially the second one is very true and not just for Twitter. Even thinking about how much of Wikipedia is likely the result of some kids having contents in regards to who would be able to push the most outrageous shit through quality control makes me giggle. A lot of which will never be corrected.
🥶
Its kinda funny because apparently it failed cause of holocaust denial threats. The other content was totally fine for Russia.
Imagine not being able to host literally anywhere because you are pissing off all possible parties at the same time.
Stuff like this can only be hosted in tor.
The whole drama is that KF has lots of "mean" stuff, not illegal stuff, yet they still face unprecedented deplatforming. KF is not a CP site obviously. The free speech argument has nothing to do with CP, nobody will defend that.
Those Epik tweets read like their socials got hacked, or the social media staff was drunk. Very embarassing...
why dont they just host on tor and end this drama?
btw is the problem that nobody is hosting them or that nobody with good ddos protection is hosting them?
They are up on Tor for a long time, clearnet is solid atm.
The abuse complains and ddos protection. KF has problems with:
1. T1 ISPs
2. Domain Registrars
3. DDoS providers
4. Hosting Companies
So basically everything.
@kait
How would you say KF compares to chan culture? I'm very much out of the loop these days but from reading Wikipedia it seems like kind of a continuation (or even just yet another incarnation) of it. Maybe a bit on the radical side but all in all quite a similar anarchistic (for lack of a better word - it's obvious that a lot of users probably wouldn't self describe this way) trolling-activism mixture.
No idea, I am not a KF user, but as you said before, Wikipedia is dogshit if you want to know anything about controversial or politically charged topics. (I think I visited 4chan less than twice so I wouldn't even know)
Legally speaking; a child recording themselves reacting to any type of pornographic material constitutes CSEM (not CSAM) since it would be deemed as titillating by a pedophile, e.g. it turns them on, sexually, and is therefore considered CSEM, since it's involving a child, they are vulnerable (groomable), and it's just plain wrong either way you look at it. if it is true that it's in regards to 2girls1cup, it's even worse... lol
there is simply no other reason for it to be online since:
1) the child that recorded it would probably want it gone by now had it not been archived.
2) no sane adult would want to watch that (imho, op)
but yeah, getting into some murky waters here for sure.
Rewatched Mr. Hands recently, I am sane I swear.
no, i mean, i simply have no interest in watching anything to do with children in a manner like that. adults can do whatever the hell they want and other adults can watch them. you know what i mean if you are a father.
Oh, i see. It seemed like you had some kind of closer connection since you knew about availability on Tor and such. Obviously Wikipedia is not to be taken overly serious for this kind of topic. I just wanted a superficial overview and it sounded kind of like what the more offbeat chan boards (like for example 8chan - ironically also just kicked by Epik if i understand correctly) had been doing for who-knows-how-long, just maybe a little bigger.
I don't really have any intention of actually visiting the site. Maybe 15 years back i might have been more curious about it but today i'm mostly just interested in the hosting aspect or rather how easy or hard is it these days to keep controversial content online. I figure DDoS protection 100% being essential now is likely quite problematic due to centralization and actual T1 ISPs getting involved also seems to be kind of a new thing.
Epik could have chosen between an admission that they’re not into free speech or that they were allegedly tackling a CP complaint. That they chose both in the same tweet is a bit overkill. Because anyone should take down CP, but if Epik isn’t a free speech provider then they’re not really of value. Plenty of better fish in the sea.
I just don’t see the appeal for them anymore. The people who didn’t like them still won’t, and the ones who did now also won’t. That whole brand’s largest enemy has been inside of the building the entire time.
Think that was 2019 or 2020, but I can't fully remember.
Ye, I know a lot about the technical stuff, because that is the only part that is interesting to me.
Wikipedia claims stuff about 3 suicides but there is 0 evidence of that. It's funny how dumb Wikipedia can be.
Yup, especially since 99% of us don't run websites like KF, I always like to support my freedom friends though but Epik fell off.
Just now realising what you where referring to, that video is still up on youtube afaik so if youtube is oke with it, it isn't that bad right?
Absolutely. Youtube is my moral compass since 1999.
/s
no, not quite.
google will react once it is informed by the ncmec (or any other org) but it won't retroactively decide on their own when it comes to things like that. the moderators aren't paid enough (nor is it their job ) to make the distinction between a video game review, or nsfw video review, or whether the person is of age. as long as nothing graphic is shown, and there is no nudity, the moderators won't remove it.
i personally have no interest in looking that video up to check whether or not it is a pre-pubescent child or a teen, but as a parent, i can tell you that i would be horrified at something like that being up, whether it is on youtube or elsewhere. absolutely not ok.
it's akin to being ok with minors watching hardcore/bdsm pornography, and not expecting them to have issues later on in their adult life.
Yeah, that's pretty much true. There is a lot of shit on YT that really shouldn't be there but legally it actually has at least some effect i think as being on YT will be viewed as something that will signal legitimacy to the average person. At least around here that seems to play a sizable role in judgements. If it's on YT the average person is not expected to further question the status of the content at hand (obviously not including the plainly visible). While those metrics have mostly been used in regards to copyright until now i don't see why it would be all that different in regards to other legalities.
It was confirmed to be 21 years old male, and on top of all that, the dude himself posted his own ID which clarifies this, not to mention he was the one who reported the site for CP after posting his own nudes.
TL:DR
image of thread which EPIK posted to twitter. (now deleted by EPIK)
Even if the dude is 21, i'm not gonna link it directly.
It turns out the guy who made the thread on himself took credit for Epik seizing the domain back in December, so he most likely made the thread, posted his own nudes claiming it was "child porn" and got Epik to seize the domain.
LOL, so basically classic troll shit.