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Another thing to consider is the "financial" aspect of it. Some smaller businesses may sit on a couple of smaller IP-Networks they are not using and can be sold relatively quickly when they need more cash for some projects. They could certainly get a loan, but looking at the current interest rates (eu-wide) - some may find it preferable to liquidate assets they are not using...
I think that like a lot of other markets in a low interest rate environment things got overheated. They are normalizing now. I expect values to come back to $20-$25/IP fairly soon and then stabilize there.
It already is.
Not really, the prices went insanly high when Covid happened, we are now at pre-covid lows again.
So, still leasing IP space is better option ?
My gut feeling and take on this:
IPv4 is now more exhausted than ever, RIPE, LACNIC and ARIN are all on a multi-year wait list for the smallest of IPv4 allocations.
APNIC has exhausted its last 103/8 space and is now allocating from its 'returned pool' so I assume soon we will also see a wait list formed there too, and AFRINIC are allocating max /22s under very strict policies
So why are prices going down for the past year if supply is lower than ever? I think its because of people and companies realising the value (both in leasing and selling) of their unused and dormant IPv4 space, that mixed with easy to use marketplaces popping up in the last 2 years (IPXO, InterLIR, and so many more IPv4 broker websites) its easier than ever to sell and lease your unused IP space. (hell, look at the LET thread here: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/160162/ and see how many more players are suddenly offering IPv4 for lease)
I think the demand is highest its been however all of the sudden the supply has also been unlocked due to these streamlined broker websites popping up and the general view of IPv4 being an asset that can bring in dividends to the owner.
Just look at the ARIN/RIPE/APNIC transfer stats: People are moving around massive amount of IPv4 space and its only increasing
https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/transfer-statistics/within-ripe-ncc-service-region/ipv4-transfer-statistics for example
I could be wrong, but in my opinion we will see the IPv4 prices go down a touch more before the new "supply" (people realising the value of unused IPs) will start to get exhausted again where the price will slowly increase again.
Everyone over bought. It's returning to the trend line, IPs are already selling at $28/block, they will continue to go lower.
New business idea: commodity futures market for IP addresses, so that I can bet on them going down.
IPv6 is at 45% adoption in Europe and North America, and some countries are already at 55%, and that is without prioritization of IPv6. The point for IPv4 slowly starts to disappear and will continue to do so over the next 2/3 years.
In Portugal (to give an example), mobile doesn't have IPv6, only CGNAT or dynamic IPs. But it's the only one.
Fixed services have at this moment nearly 100% coverage of IPv6: MEO has full dual stack, NOS has dual stack from the 2015 router onwards and it's fully deployed in fiber and nearly all in HFC (except some local HFC structures, notably Coimbra), Vodafone not only has full dual stack, it has also started to deploy CGNAT under IPv4 on slower speeds.
I would assume this will be a similar reality throughout Europe. When mobile has IPv6 consistently, it will be the end of the line for IPv4 in Europe (first), then in USA/Canada (later), and I truly think IPv4 will only remain outside of this for other areas, as long as they don't depend on the developed world so much (and even if so).
For me it's absolutely pointless to charge any money for IPs with IPv4, when IPv6 is nearly unlimited and given from RIRs - and could be DNS-proxied to IPv4 from Cloudflare, for example. I don't see IPs as something to make money from. The focus should be services, not parking (addresses).
Also I believe IPs won't be exchanged for this much money in the near future. Only to ease and increase expansion speed of a provider over needed volumes that RIRs could not provide in time.
Times are changing. First we'll dual stack, then we'll leave v4.
I think what would drive more adoption for ipv6 is for more support from control panels like cpanel to ipv6 only hosts.
I will wait to be a /24 x $50 usd month 😎
I will wait until /24 is $1/month
Yep! I've had native IPv6 here in Portugal for quite a few years.
Why don't we have IPv6 in 4/5G though?
In the long run lease is bad. One must calc ROI. If you use /16 for a few years, I believe it is way better to buy it out.
the issue is a general economic downturn due to two wars and the pandemic, people do not have money to buy hosting anymore. I do not think ipv6 adoption is causing this issue.
The pandemic boosted the hosting and cloud business. However, with rising bank interest rates, people are now hesitating to invest in assets such as IP addresses etc. At least thats what I have seen from a few "investor" friends.
Where interest is still rising? EURIBOR will fall this year.
All my domains use Cloudflare
So sadly, they’re accessible through IPv6
ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF BONDS?
HAVE YOU HEARD WHAT INTEREST RATE YOU GET?
Currently you still get some nice risk free interest rates. Look at the expensive watch market or expensive wine. The card house falls altogether - after the rocking pandemic price nonsense. For sure thats only part of the reason.
Everyone over bought everything in hosting infrastructure, everything is now shifting to a major surplus. Growth is still there, but only for products and services that didn't exist during the pandemic.
I'm looking for /24 ipv4 best offers only dm
This is the thread you're looking for https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/160162/aio-ip-related-ipv4-ipv6-asn-thread-only-providers-lirs-are-allowed-to-post-offers#latest
That's a great question... I think they prioritized pools for fixed lines first. Those should give more cash than mobile... but I think we'll start seeing IPv6 on mobile very very soon. Perhaps not on regular voice plans, but surely on mobile broadband services. If nothing else, 5G should start to increase practical usage of those outside CGNAT...
Some companies were on panic mode, stocking for no reason, others just speculating. I use Cloudflare on most of my projects nowadays...
Major services will likely have IPv6 working for most of the stuff, and shared IPv4 addresses for less popular services.
I mean not publicly facing things but broadband end-users
This. Lots of fomo and fear was driving up the price.
Where could I rent/buy multiple /29 or larger IPv6 blocks?
Check: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/160162/aio-ip-related-ipv4-ipv6-asn-thread-only-providers-lirs-are-allowed-to-post-offers but generally no where. Question is why would anyone need multiple /29s? I know a couple of places that can do /32's
AFAIK no RIR allocates anything larger than /29