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IPV4 Prices

interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

Did anyone notice ipv4 prices falling?

A little over a year ago $50 per IP.

Now $30.

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Comments

  • Where are you checking prices?

  • Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

  • @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Ipv6 will never become mainstream

  • @AndreiGhesi said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Ipv6 will never become mainstream

    Ooo, don't saden @yoursunny

  • @AndreiGhesi said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Ipv6 will never become mainstream

    IPv4 will be exhausted.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @JosephF said:

    @AndreiGhesi said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Ipv6 will never become mainstream

    IPv4 will be exhausted.

    I am curious how many layers of NAT will be deployed by numerous home ISPs before finally ditching IPv4

  • @AndreiGhesi said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Ipv6 will never become mainstream

    Eh most is Cloudflare and IPv6

  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran
    edited January 2024

    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all this ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep

    @risharde said: It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    almost everyone is, except pushup man.

    no-ipv6 gang.

  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    Would just run out again and we'd be in the same situation.

    Thanked by 1risharde
  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran

    @DataWagon said:

    @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    Would just run out again and we'd be in the same situation.

    Fair answer but maybe then an ipv10 in decimal might suffice? 10 decimals to me is easier to remember but that's just me. Anyways I still would like one day to bymy own ip but I don't see like single ips being sold to start with and maybe it doesn't work that way

  • @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    it's efficient for storage, since its beyond remembering versus ipv4 anyway. With numerical octets it would be insane large numbers.

    Although if you really want to remember it versus using (m)DNS/hostnames (which is a good practice!):

    the first octets in IPv6 are fixed per provider (eg /32)
    the next one is customer allocation (eg /48)
    the next bits are per assigned network (/64)
    the last bits are per assigned endpoint (/128)

    this is the same with IPv4 back when anyone and their mother could have entire ranges. I'm glad they went all the way with IPv6 with the ridiculous amount so we can have those times back. It takes a different mindset to see the opportunities

    Thanked by 2risharde host_c
  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran

    @lowenduser1 said:

    @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    it's efficient for storage, since its beyond remembering versus ipv4 anyway. With numerical octets it would be insane large numbers.

    Although if you really want to remember it versus using (m)DNS/hostnames (which is a good practice!):

    the first octets in IPv6 are fixed per provider (eg /32)
    the next one is customer allocation (eg /48)
    the next bits are per assigned network (/64)
    the last bits are per assigned endpoint (/128)

    this is the same with IPv4 back when anyone and their mother could have entire ranges. I'm glad they went all the way with IPv6 with the ridiculous amount so we can have those times back. It takes a different mindset to see the opportunities

    Fair point for sure, I usually change mindsets but I never will for this one... this annoys me as much as email hosting and the invasion on the eastern side of the world

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @risharde said:

    Fair point for sure, I usually change mindsets but I never will for this one... this annoys me as much as email hosting and the invasion on the eastern side of the world

    Well, I am sure you would prefer implementing IPv6 rather than participating in war :D

    Thanked by 1risharde
  • @risharde said:

    @lowenduser1 said:

    @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    it's efficient for storage, since its beyond remembering versus ipv4 anyway. With numerical octets it would be insane large numbers.

    Although if you really want to remember it versus using (m)DNS/hostnames (which is a good practice!):

    the first octets in IPv6 are fixed per provider (eg /32)
    the next one is customer allocation (eg /48)
    the next bits are per assigned network (/64)
    the last bits are per assigned endpoint (/128)

    this is the same with IPv4 back when anyone and their mother could have entire ranges. I'm glad they went all the way with IPv6 with the ridiculous amount so we can have those times back. It takes a different mindset to see the opportunities

    Fair point for sure, I usually change mindsets but I never will for this one... this annoys me as much as email hosting and the invasion on the eastern side of the world

    yeah agree. thats why I think burying it under DNS is a good practice B) and invasions as politics. apply abstraction and keep it simple stupid is my believes

    Thanked by 1risharde
  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran

    @tentor said:

    @risharde said:

    Fair point for sure, I usually change mindsets but I never will for this one... this annoys me as much as email hosting and the invasion on the eastern side of the world

    Well, I am sure you would prefer implementing IPv6 rather than participating in war :D

    This is very true, thank you for that lol

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran
    edited January 2024

    @lowenduser1 said:

    @risharde said:

    @lowenduser1 said:

    @risharde said:
    I'm speaking from lack of knowledge likely but why couldn't IPv6 just be like ip v4 with decimals (or make an ipv8) in decimal or whatever else is bigger. Like why all thus ffff,bbbb crap. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just feel quite annoyed having to.

    it's efficient for storage, since its beyond remembering versus ipv4 anyway. With numerical octets it would be insane large numbers.

    Although if you really want to remember it versus using (m)DNS/hostnames (which is a good practice!):

    the first octets in IPv6 are fixed per provider (eg /32)
    the next one is customer allocation (eg /48)
    the next bits are per assigned network (/64)
    the last bits are per assigned endpoint (/128)

    this is the same with IPv4 back when anyone and their mother could have entire ranges. I'm glad they went all the way with IPv6 with the ridiculous amount so we can have those times back. It takes a different mindset to see the opportunities

    Fair point for sure, I usually change mindsets but I never will for this one... this annoys me as much as email hosting and the invasion on the eastern side of the world

    yeah agree. thats why I think burying it under DNS is a good practice B) and invasions as politics. apply abstraction and keep it simple stupid is my believes

    Make DNS popular again!!! Not that it wasn't well used but now it's just even more a must! Xoxo DNS

    Thanked by 1lowenduser1
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep
    edited January 2024

    @lowenduser1 said:
    thats why I think burying it under DNS is a good practice B)

    Like, isn't it a main purpose of DNS? Not explicitly for IPv6, but yeah

  • interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

    I think it's more important for ISP to implement ipv6. Seems like every new car, phone, iPad, and smartwatch now connects to Internet.
    I can't imagine that every IOT device has an ipv4 address.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • @tentor said:

    @lowenduser1 said:
    thats why I think burying it under DNS is a good practice B)

    Like, isn't it a main purpose of DNS? Not explicitly for IPv6, but yeah

    kinda. there's types like MX and moving the management to a centric point as the main purpose so renumbering isn't a giga pain

    remembering up to three numbers in a fixed range is so easy it becomes a bad habit. heck isn't 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8 burned in so many minds?

    Thanked by 3tentor risharde host_c
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Keep smoking whatever is it you're smoking my friend.

    V6 will never be mainstream outside of mobile.

    10 - 15 years from now we'll be 3 CGNAT layers deep, but probably more for surveillance reasons than exhaustion.

    Francisco

  • @interservermike said:
    I think it's more important for ISP to implement ipv6. Seems like every new car, phone, iPad, and smartwatch now connects to Internet.
    I can't imagine that every IOT device has an ipv4 address.

    On one of our remote locations the isp doesn't provide dedicated IPv4. The dvr setup there is very old and relied on a free ddns service built in the panel. The company of course started charging for their ddns service and now my company has to pay $5 a month for the freaking ddns. It's daytime robbery. A dedicated ip wud be much cheaper. NAT is the worst.

  • @Francisco said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Keep smoking whatever is it you're smoking my friend.

    V6 will never be mainstream outside of mobile.

    10 - 15 years from now we'll be 3 CGNAT layers deep, but probably more for surveillance reasons than exhaustion.

    Francisco

    And mobile is so minuscule? How about IoT? I guess my pot smoker has ipv6.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @Levi said: And mobile is so minuscule? How about IoT? I guess my pot smoker has ipv6.

    Easier to roll out v6 there when devices are bare ass on the 'wire' and they all have v6 day 1 or whatever.

    You're not having to deal with funny home user routers and other things like that.

    Still, nice dinner gift card bet if you're interested :)

    Francisco

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep

    @Francisco said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Keep smoking whatever is it you're smoking my friend.

    V6 will never be mainstream outside of mobile.

    10 - 15 years from now we'll be 3 CGNAT layers deep, but probably more for surveillance reasons than exhaustion.

    Francisco

    It'll get there eventually because of MOBILE. More and more people in the world have electricity and smartphones every day and connect to the internet. Thus, more and more websites have to connect via IPv6 to connect to mobile. However, I think we are a very long time, if not forever until we get IPv6 implemented on LAN.

  • @skorupion said:

    @Francisco said:

    @Levi said:
    Finally ipv6 kicking in and ipv4 becomes not so relevant?

    Keep smoking whatever is it you're smoking my friend.

    V6 will never be mainstream outside of mobile.

    10 - 15 years from now we'll be 3 CGNAT layers deep, but probably more for surveillance reasons than exhaustion.

    Francisco

    It'll get there eventually because of MOBILE. More and more people in the world have electricity and smartphones every day and connect to the internet. Thus, more and more websites have to connect via IPv6 to connect to mobile. However, I think we are a very long time, if not forever until we get IPv6 implemented on LAN.

    Idk. Seems like a big belly of the handful providers just needs to say go. ship (new) customers IPv6 capable routers with SLAAC/DHCPv6. Most OS just accept whatever is announced. Nearly everything is proxied by Cloudflare which provides IPv6 in return. I honestly don't see what the big deal is

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    Prices are coming down quickly right now.

    Thanked by 1mustafamw3
  • @jbiloh said:
    Prices are coming down quickly right now.

    What is the reason for that?

  • interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

    @JosephF said:

    @jbiloh said:
    Prices are coming down quickly right now.

    What is the reason for that?

    I think post-pandemic normalization. supply/demand.
    Sucks for whoever had to buy at the time.

    Thanked by 2JosephF emgh
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