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This may have just killed my project

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  • vitobottavitobotta Member

    @MrLime said:
    @vitobotta - I think you should continue with the project. Mold it in a way that serves the interests of the intended audience and also satisfies your urge to build something that you can call your own and be proud of it. Focus on the core goals you want to set out to achieve and go from there.

    The big bodybuilders don't necessarily need to enjoy the GYM or want to go to the GYM, but they realise their consistency and overaching want to achive bigger and greater things is what makes them better and keeps them on the right path.

    A few years ago I entered a market full of saturation. But we could see a clear opportunity to revolutionise that small market, and guess what. We did just that and although new players have arrived with even bigger potential and bigger pockets. It was good to know I was apart of improving that market.

    Edit: That reminds me, not too long after GTM we were copied by a competitor almost like for like. It didn't phase us at all.

    Which market, out of curiosity?

    @LTniger said:

    @vitobotta said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Maybe you are not passionate enough about what you were doing?
    I'm referring to the fact that if you've lost your motivation to make a lot of money, you've also lost your motivation to continue the project.

    To understand what I mean, think that in a world where AWS, Google and others have billion dollar datacenters, someone competes with them by creating his own datacenter at home, even if it means spending all his savings. (no idea who's this guy)

    I have lost the motivation to invest months building something that I am unsure will work / people will want to pay for, that's the thing. Building is fun, but a project of that size isn't something I would do just for fun without a ROI.

    @LTniger said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Maybe you are not passionate enough about what you were doing?
    I'm referring to the fact that if you've lost your motivation to make a lot of money, you've also lost your motivation to continue the project.

    To understand what I mean, think that in a world where AWS, Google and others have billion dollar datacenters, someone competes with them by creating his own datacenter at home, even if it means spending all his savings. (no idea who's this guy)

    Passion is very temporary. The drive must go from curiosity and desire to learn. Vitto is a professional and therefore he didn't find big enough learning curve in his endevour.

    There's always something to learn however experienced you are, and building a multi cloud managed kubernetes service is not trivial so there is a lot to learn along the way. Like I said above I am just not convinced about doing it primarily for fun if I am not convinced that it will make money given the competition. So money is also a reason to build stuff, because I would need more money at the moment but I can't ask for a pay raise at the moment and I don't want to leave my job, which I like. So that's why I am thinking to invest time in bug bounties instead of spending months building something that might likely fail due to the lack of resources/money.

    It is normal to fear when starting and doing business. You taking a risk. Just push forward to beta stage. Do not finish, just push with grinding teath. Present your product here, probably @raindog308 will give you some LEB light exposure with article. Also HN link would gather few users.

    Than you will see real demand for your service and how well it would monetize.

    Do not let fear stop you. Push it.

    I dunno. I need to find the motivation again. I will take a break and see where I am at.

    @ddorian43 said:
    @vitobotta

    You should (IMHO) do it for dedicated servers. And add features on top. Think like PostgreSQL hosting. Or Redis. etc.

    Then you can sell it to dedicated hosting providers (like what neon.tech does) or sell to normal users.

    Kinda like ubicloud is doing.

    So the original plan was to first build the foundation, Cluster Ninja, and then a bunch of services on top of it: PaaS, managed databases and object storage. As you can see it was too ambitious for one person.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @LTniger said: probably @raindog308 will give you some LEB light exposure with article

    Happy to do so.

  • ChievoChievo Member

    @vitobotta said:

    @MrLime said:
    @vitobotta - I think you should continue with the project. Mold it in a way that serves the interests of the intended audience and also satisfies your urge to build something that you can call your own and be proud of it. Focus on the core goals you want to set out to achieve and go from there.

    The big bodybuilders don't necessarily need to enjoy the GYM or want to go to the GYM, but they realise their consistency and overaching want to achive bigger and greater things is what makes them better and keeps them on the right path.

    A few years ago I entered a market full of saturation. But we could see a clear opportunity to revolutionise that small market, and guess what. We did just that and although new players have arrived with even bigger potential and bigger pockets. It was good to know I was apart of improving that market.

    Edit: That reminds me, not too long after GTM we were copied by a competitor almost like for like. It didn't phase us at all.

    Which market, out of curiosity?

    @LTniger said:

    @vitobotta said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Maybe you are not passionate enough about what you were doing?
    I'm referring to the fact that if you've lost your motivation to make a lot of money, you've also lost your motivation to continue the project.

    To understand what I mean, think that in a world where AWS, Google and others have billion dollar datacenters, someone competes with them by creating his own datacenter at home, even if it means spending all his savings. (no idea who's this guy)

    I have lost the motivation to invest months building something that I am unsure will work / people will want to pay for, that's the thing. Building is fun, but a project of that size isn't something I would do just for fun without a ROI.

    @LTniger said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Maybe you are not passionate enough about what you were doing?
    I'm referring to the fact that if you've lost your motivation to make a lot of money, you've also lost your motivation to continue the project.

    To understand what I mean, think that in a world where AWS, Google and others have billion dollar datacenters, someone competes with them by creating his own datacenter at home, even if it means spending all his savings. (no idea who's this guy)

    Passion is very temporary. The drive must go from curiosity and desire to learn. Vitto is a professional and therefore he didn't find big enough learning curve in his endevour.

    There's always something to learn however experienced you are, and building a multi cloud managed kubernetes service is not trivial so there is a lot to learn along the way. Like I said above I am just not convinced about doing it primarily for fun if I am not convinced that it will make money given the competition. So money is also a reason to build stuff, because I would need more money at the moment but I can't ask for a pay raise at the moment and I don't want to leave my job, which I like. So that's why I am thinking to invest time in bug bounties instead of spending months building something that might likely fail due to the lack of resources/money.

    It is normal to fear when starting and doing business. You taking a risk. Just push forward to beta stage. Do not finish, just push with grinding teath. Present your product here, probably @raindog308 will give you some LEB light exposure with article. Also HN link would gather few users.

    Than you will see real demand for your service and how well it would monetize.

    Do not let fear stop you. Push it.

    I dunno. I need to find the motivation again. I will take a break and see where I am at.

    @ddorian43 said:
    @vitobotta

    You should (IMHO) do it for dedicated servers. And add features on top. Think like PostgreSQL hosting. Or Redis. etc.

    Then you can sell it to dedicated hosting providers (like what neon.tech does) or sell to normal users.

    Kinda like ubicloud is doing.

    So the original plan was to first build the foundation, Cluster Ninja, and then a bunch of services on top of it: PaaS, managed databases and object storage. As you can see it was too ambitious for one person.

    If motivation is just financial ...... Must be more than that

  • ddorian43ddorian43 Member

    So the original plan was to first build the foundation, Cluster Ninja, and then a bunch of services on top of it: PaaS, managed databases and object storage. As you can see it was too ambitious for one person.

    Each of those things is a complete separate company. You can't just slap "minio" and call it "object storage". I mean, sometimes you can. You need to do day-2 operations on everything.

    The same is true for PostgreSQL (automatic failover, connection-pooler, full & WAL backup, extension installation/upgrade, pg-upgrade, etc).

    That is true for all complex distributed systems (kubernetes/postgresql/redis/elastic-search/clickhouse cluster, etc).

    Fly.io will not do "kubernetes BYOC".

  • vitobottavitobotta Member

    @ddorian43 said:

    So the original plan was to first build the foundation, Cluster Ninja, and then a bunch of services on top of it: PaaS, managed databases and object storage. As you can see it was too ambitious for one person.

    Each of those things is a complete separate company. You can't just slap "minio" and call it "object storage". I mean, sometimes you can. You need to do day-2 operations on everything.

    The same is true for PostgreSQL (automatic failover, connection-pooler, full & WAL backup, extension installation/upgrade, pg-upgrade, etc).

    That is true for all complex distributed systems (kubernetes/postgresql/redis/elastic-search/clickhouse cluster, etc).

    Fly.io will not do "kubernetes BYOC".

    I meant proper managed services, not like Minio in your example for object storage.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited December 2023

    @LTniger said: Passion is very temporary. The drive must go from curiosity and desire to learn.

    Discipline as well, mostly that I'd say. Nothing is always fun

    Ask people who do something good every day (go to the gym for example)

    Do they never feel like skipping?

    They all do

  • LeviLevi Member

    @emgh said: They all do

    But you must keep pumping for all those gainzzz.

    Thanked by 1emgh
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