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Hazi’s Bachelor Thesis - STOP Layer 7 attacks now!

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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @FlorinMarian said: I just have to add a few more images and track how many tries you have.

    Just adding images won't help you because attacker can cache all variations of your images and save svg+xml values for color-monochrome pairs, and use them when attacking.

  • FlorinMarianFlorinMarian Member, Host Rep

    @tentor said:

    @FlorinMarian said: I just have to add a few more images and track how many tries you have.

    Just adding images won't help you because attacker can cache all variations of your images and save svg+xml values for color-monochrome pairs, and use them when attacking.

    I can have thousands of variations:) and to see all of them you'll have to manually change your IP to see (maybe) a new combination.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep
    edited December 2023

    @FlorinMarian said: and to see all of them you'll have to manually change your IP

    1. Delete cookie is free
    2. IPv6 is free as well (and I can automate curl requests from random IP address within v6/48)

    @FlorinMarian said: I can have thousands of variations:)

    I doubt you will do all that manually... Using public icons is not a good idea IMO, look at how far hCaptcha went with their challenges (they went so far that they are blurring animals' head and asking user to click on it lol)

    Thanked by 1MMzF
  • @davide said: It can recognize images, click, drag, and knock on Frorin's door at a late spooky hour. Layer 7 my dick.

    Let me know how you plan to make an AutoHotKey botnet.

    Reply to @tentor:
    1) I've seen three obfuscation methods. One is what you pointed out, the second involves using 'decodeURIComponent(window.atob())', and the third is a weird combo of 'decodeURIComponent(window.atob())' with string manipulation.
    2) Your idea might work, but it needs a browser botnet, which is pretty hard to come by. My main aim was to solve everything without relying on a browser.

    @FlorinMarian said: Like, if you have two fails => at third you're banned for a few minutes.

    That would ruin my strategy, which involved attempting each image until the correct one is found.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep
    edited December 2023

    @sillycat said: Your idea might work, but it needs a browser botnet,

    No, my original idea is based on wrong understanding of how this version works :D

    However if it did, used obfuscation is too easy for requiring browser. Only thing you need is to know obfuscation methods in advance.

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • @sillycat said:
    Let me know how you plan to make an AutoHotKey botnet.

    Fuck you :)

  • davidedavide Member
    edited December 2023

    @davide said:
    Fuck you :)

    Maybe it wasn't entirely politically correct to write down that comment in all its subtleties. Yet I think a good Fuck You in this instance conveys the maximum amount if information payload that can easily be digested and understood by the counterparty.

    Let me know if you need further clarification, I'll be available for you to further explain myself :)

  • @davide said: Fuck you

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    Frorin's idea does prevent L7 attacks. Solving one captcha via AutoHotKey does not constitute an attack. That is all that needs to be said.

    @tentor said: (they went so far that they are blurring animals' head and asking user to click on it lol)

    Their new challenges are now AI-generated. Even worse...
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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @sillycat said:
    Their new challenges are now AI-generated. Even worse...

    Are they changing it daily?!

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    Interesting, haven't got attack to our website for a few month already, but as soon as I participated in this discussion someone launched HTTP GET flood at /index.php?rp=/store/kvm-vps :expressionless:

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • davidedavide Member
    edited December 2023

    @sillycat: the captcha can be solved at a higher level than its source code. AutoHotKey for Windows is a mock example; AutoKey (notice the different name!!) is an equivalent mock example for linux that can search for patterns on the screen, click, and drag. Either can be packaged in a qemu image, any graphical software can run on a virtual frame buffer, and anything can be in a rootkit. What the fuck of a retort was that.

    More pragmatically, Chromium can do the same on its own with puppeteer and with a backend to parse images or canvases.

    And is a captcha the proper solution against a botnet? I don't want your answer!

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @davide said: And is a captcha the proper solution against a botnet?

    CAPTCHA is definitely one of the ways to distinguish bot and human.

    I don't want your answer!

    :disappointed:

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • @tentor said:
    :disappointed:

    Thank you.

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