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How you trust small comapnies?
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I see here alot of offers from small companies,
altough their pricing are often better than the bigger companies,
i cant understand how they can be trusted uploading your codebase and sensitive information?
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What would make them any less trustworthy than hosting with a large company employing the same people?
If anything a small company that relies on its reputation of being a good and honest company cares more than, say, someone like AWS who will have another customer to replace you in 5 minutes and nobody gets fired for using cisco AWS
My personal bottom line is that the provider must have and operate their own ASN. I might go through company registration data to see if it is a registered company and how many employees they have.
We are a summer host but we have our own ASN.
Due to RIPE discussing to raise their fees, we are planning to launch our own RIR so that everyone can get free ASN again.
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One man band from LET vs DigitalOcean. Easy decision. Only thing one man bands have going for them is price. When the 2 are equal who here choose one man band LET low end providers?
One man band CEO/CTO get hit by bus - > deadpool 100%
DigitalOcean CEO/CTO get hit by bus - > deadpool?
what happens to rack nerd customers if dustin goes jail?
How do you trust small companies?
You don't. At least not at first. But if you want to use their services, do your homework.
How do you trust big companies?
You don't. At least not at first. But if you want to use their services, do your homework.
Trust is something that is gained over time, with repeated evidence that someone or some thing can be trusted. And there is long list of risk factors for every relationship -- personal relationships, business relationships, everything... it's part of the human condition.
When you are researching a provider -- small or large or everything in between -- if you don't already have a personal established history with them, you have to therefore research and decide if you want to trust OTHER people's experiences with them. You have to look at their track record, and decide if it's good enough for you. In other words, do your homework!
And OF COURSE it's often easier to find out if you can trust a larger company just because they have a larger public track record for you to examine before you decide to use their services. Obviously. If there's a large body of evidence that they are worthy of your trust, then it's a much easier decision!
On top of that, psychologically speaking, your personal experience with a person, provider, product, etc., is far more important than other people's opinions. So the more time you have invested in a good relationship, the more you naturally trust them.
All that is therefore a huge disadvantage to smaller providers, because they can't quickly provide the same amount of evidence that they are trustworthy, and if you don't already have any personal experience with them, it's harder to trust them. So you have to decide HOW MUCH HOMEWORK you want to do, and HOW MUCH RISK you want to take.
So to help increase your potential to trust them, smaller providers are often very motivated to give you really good prices to persuade you to take a little more risk with them. They might also be willing to go the extra mile with customer service, or accommodate any special requirements that you might have, etc... And if they keep on doing that over time with you, your trust with them grows to become very solid.
All that is part of the normal kinds of risk assessments and pattern of trust everyone makes in life.
In my case, when I'm shopping for a provider, I'll DO MY HOMEWORK, and take a good look at a provider's track record with the available evidence. I'll ask around in forums like this one, I'll contact the providers and ask questions and see how they respond. I might even do a trial order with them and test their services out, and so forth. In other words, I'll do my homework. And over time, if things keep working out with them, my trust in them will increase.
If I don't have time to do my homework to increase my potential of trust with them, then I'll decide how much risk I want to take, and if I don't want to take very much risk, then I'll probably go with a larger provider that I already know and has a proven track record.
Good luck in your search! LET is a great place to help you do your homework! Plenty of knowledgeable people here who are willing to share their experiences and help you make your assessments.
I do not trust anyone, doesn't matter if its a single person or a multibillion dollar company. If I upload sensitive information anywhere, you can rest assured it's encrypted.
It's not so much a question of trust as it is a way of thinking. Even if it is a person I completely 100% trust with my life, I would not share sensitive information with him unless he needed it. That's kind of the definition of sensitive information, you are supposed to keep it safe.
This really isn't a perfect answer but I usually put very proprietary code on bare metal servers with providers instead of the vpses I purchase. I wanted to begin compiling some of software I work on so its harder to get the source code but it seems like most languages I code in (other than C) cannot be easily compiled. And the open source community doing most of the work for some of the solutions have been really low quality when it comes to actually listening to complaints and issues. Mind you, open source doesn't always mean not funded so I have been annoyed to say the least with such projects eg GraalVM.
Trusting a small company isn’t the weak point. Trusting a large company without asking the same questions is the weak point. Assuming that you’re safe simply because the company has a large enough customer base and an HR director on staff is dumb, and there’s no statistical correlation to support it.
There’s nothing wrong with preferring large businesses, but make sure you’re asking the same questions of them that you would of small ones. Size only guarantees depth of penetration.
The only company I use here is MXroute now.
Used to use BuyVM/BuyShared, but switched because of their Path affiliation and no longer getting a dedicated IPv4.
Besides my main site (Vultr) I switched all of my stuff to OVH, actually. Just economical and I’ve never had any issues. No need to worry about an overnight disappearance either.
There’s definitely small trustable hosts here that care about you and your data that you can obtain a good deal with, though…
But you’re right, you do need to be careful and do your research.
Don’t upload DL/ID, use PayPal, don’t sign up for long contracts, etc.
Basically, just use common sense and you’ll be fine.
Vultr is an advertiser here on LEB, though they don't participate on LET threads.
Has there ever been a case where a hosting company stole someone's private code from their VPS?
Saw that, actually. Was mostly referring to the smaller homegrown and community active LET hosts that you’d get a true low end deal from.
All companies start out small.
What?
I don’t need stastistical analysis to understand that the risk of Hypere (random example of a small LET host) crashing is bigger than that of AWS crashing
If you are making ton of profit (thousands or tens of thousand of$) from your business ,codes, or whatever I think you can afford to pay very large hosts even if you can get the same specs for x5 or x10 times cheaper from a lowend host.
Lowend hosts can be very trustworthy or disappearing with their "datacenter" like cociou (hostsolutions)
But for sure even with largest hosts you can't be 100% certain none of their staff would try to access your server.
If you’d just heard of AWS today and said “wow they seem bigger, so they’re instantly less likely to fail than Vultr” then you would be an idiot. You have to know more about a business than “this business bigger than that business” to determine whether it’s healthy, sustainable, or well insulated.
Sure, but your example of Vultr isn’t exactly a small company, obviously, extremely small compared to AWS, but not compared to Hypere for example
If I just heard about AWS today, being the largest cloud provider there is, I’d trust them more than a company consisting of exactly 1 dude
No one said anything about a company consisting of 1 dude. Read the post I replied to. If you read the OP and my reply and you still think we’re in disagreement about something, maybe let the weed wear off and try again later. Don’t hold other replies to the OP as relevant to my reply, I would have quoted them if I were replying to them.
I did read it, and I actually quoted the part of your post where I’d imagine your point was that large itself means nothing, my point is that it does, if compared to small
That’s why I compared it to small, you choose to pick Vultr because Vultr isn’t exactly small and so your argument may appear logical
Also what’s up with the weed thing lol
No it doesn't. If you want to worship the billionaire god that's cool but it's not a fact, it's your belief. It is not a fact that size inherently means stability or trustworthiness. If it was a fact, you could tell me the statistical likelihood of a business succeeding or failing based on its size. I assume you'd be able to graph it, should be easy stuff to someone who has the facts on that.
So the world's biggest cloud company could resonably, statistically, be as stable of a choice as a company ran by 1 guy with 0 clients, i.e the smallest there is?
Also, why so edgy?
"If you worship a billionare god" lmao
Written like a 7-year-olds poem
I was just trying to write down to your level on the topic. "Billionaire have money, billionaire can't fail." It's completely unintelligent. Your mindset as stated by yourself in this thread only allows you to trust the largest business in any market because every other company is logically smaller, and as you've made clear you think that larger inherently means more stable and healthy. That's damn near religious faith level.
When did I ever say that larger inherently means more stable and healthy?
Your argument was stupid, and you first tried to defend it was using Vultr as an example of a small provider (when I myself, that first presented my argument, used Hypere, you conveniently changed it out to a much larger provider)
Now you're saying that I said stuff that I just didn't, I said that AWS by definition statistically must be more stable than Hypere looking only at size
"Write down to your level" you're so toxic lmao, and you're way too old to be a school bully
You really need statistical proof to show that the smallest of companies aren't as stable as the largest of companies?
The moment you attempted to refute the idea that you weren't talking on the same topic as I was. You keep trying to turn the conversation to a comparison between 1 person running a company alone and a company with a wealth of employees. But that wasn't the topic. And it wasn't in my reply.
So when you refused to acknowledge that I was solely talking about the fact that larger isn't inherently more healthy or stable than smaller, and continued to insist that we're in argument on that fact, then you have therefore logically declared that you think larger is inherently more healthy or stable than smaller. Because if you don't think that, then we have no debate. But you keep debating, so you must believe that.
It's logical deduction of the conversation. That's why I accused you of being high 🤣
Your wife might say that size don't matter but you can't apply that to this discussion
Come on guys, no need for this. Can't we all just get along?
We can
we live in a society
Listening to it now. I had forgotten how much I liked that song. Very nostalgic.
You might. I live between a swarm of flies and mosquitoes.
Or a simulation