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how much does it cost providers to build EX62 server?
Hi there,
I have a question for providers in Eu, how much does it cost them to build machines like Hetzner's Ex62
Intel Core i9-9900K or 10900k
RAM 64 GB
2 x 8.0 TB Enterprise HDD
motherboard with with NVMe support
I have a rough idea about the price of these components for normal consumers, but I guess provider pay a bit less? + I don't know the exact price for servers (chassis, etc) and DC grade parts.
Can anyone providing services in NL/DE/FR (or neighboring Eu countries) give a general idea please?
Thanks
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Providers pay more, not less, if you want branded chassis and warranty.
Take a look at some configurators:
https://www.rackservers.com/1u-servers-uniprocessor
https://www.abmx.com/1u-rack-server
What!? How is that possible? are you telling me someone buying 100 drives, will pay more than me if I get 1 single drive? like if I get 8TB drive for 230€
like this one
https://www.reichelt.com/nl/en/wd-red-plus-8-tb-nas-hard-drive-2022--wd80efzz-p327296.html?CCOUNTRY=662&LANGUAGE=de&GROUPID=7278&START=0&OFFSET=16&SID=9412bb6486729b0747687b653e03c5b6cd43a52c492a8a854f525&LANGUAGE=EN&&r=1
Providers are paying that amount of money for drives only?
What I meant is that if you want some branded server, such as Dell, HP, you will pay much more
than getting parts only and throwing them on some consumer ITX or 1U board and chassis.
If you wish to go branded second hand / refurb, try servermall.com, they ship across EU
Nobody will use these WD Reds for servers. They buy HGST or Seagate Exos. Enterprise-grade stuff, it is way more expensive than something for consumers so yea they pay more.
Hetzner has some affiliation with government IIRC so they can be extremely cheap.
Of course I know that. But what I meant, if we're both getting the exact same DC grade product, they have better chances of getting it cheaper than me.
Hence my question.
@luckypenguin thanks for the links
Hetzner is building their own servers with custom-made rack enclosures and parts to keep the price down and get optimal cooling etc. This way they can build servers that cost less than the named brand servers that most providers use.
What? WD Reds with CMR drives are regularly used in servers.
When getting up to the largest drives, there's less price difference between enterprise and business class drives and I've bought enterprise class drives cheaper than business class ones several times over the years.
"These Reds". If you want 5640RPM drive designed for 1Gbit NAS then yea go ahead. You dont need more than 100MB/s then and this exact drive is barely doing it near end of platter.
Difficult to find slower CMR drive, even 6TB variant is faster. 8TB EFZZ is bad.
Those reds are 7200 rpm, the 5400 rpm is just marketing for some reasons. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/western-digital-is-trying-to-redefine-the-word-rpm/
No, it is 5640RPM, not "5400RPM class". Why you correct me without looking at EFZZ?
On datasheet it says that spindle speed is 5640RPM. Spindle speed, not performance class.
Performance class is already obsolete naming, they abandoned it. Some drives still have it for example WD140EFFX will say it in ID Info, but WD calls then 7200RPM from some time instead of 5400RPM class like before - you can Gopgle this drive and some shops will say 5400, some will say 7200.
If you look at WD datasheet it says "Actual spindle motor rotational speed for this model is 7200 RPM; although ID Device may report
5400 to reflect previous Performance Class designation.". It doesnt say it for 8TB EFZZ amd it is reflected in performance.
If tgis would be 7200RPM then it would be slowest performing 8TB 7200RPM of all time. 150MB/s at start, 80MB/s on the end... Resilvering time will be a huge pain.
WD80EFZZ is 5640RPM drive and no one uses these Reds for servers. Sequentials are already meh, but random read is just abysmal.
It is okay for NAS backup, but not building something comparable to HGST enterprise 7200RPM drives that Hetzner uses. They have way better performance, not close.
Maybe my "nobody uses these Reds for servers" was hyperbole @TimboJones , but we cant compare these to enterprise drives that OP pasted from Hetzner specs. Its on different level and we can agree on that.
What? No. There's going to be very little practical difference in most RAID applications.
But I was going by the whole Red CMR drives line simply for their specs and intended sales they'll, no doubt, be used in servers by the thousands or millions.
But I'll agree I'd take an HGST drive over a Red any day of the week.