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  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @hotsnow said:
    @VirMach the next renewal date of many services been changed to "04/07/2023" or "04/07/2024" on yesterday, but they are still show as "Pending" now, perhaps still in the activation queue? thanks :p

    Yeah, we changed them before activation.

    Thanked by 1hotsnow
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

  • vhhjkglvhhjkgl Member
    edited April 2022

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms

    Can you see this ?

  • ravenchadravenchad Member
    edited April 2022

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

  • @vhhjkgl said:
    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms

    Can you see this ?

    Can you see this?

    @ VirMach said:
    I'll repeat this again, they're not limited in any way. You're just on the first two nodes where people were using operating systems that caused kernel panic, and these people keep powering their services back on and leaving it in kernel panic. The abuse daemon should be powering these down automatically now so hopefully it will continue to improve. It's only been about a day, please be patient.

  • lolmilolmi Member

    @VirMach > @VirMach said:

    @lolmi said:
    @VirMach It still shows the payment date, not today's start date Next Due Date
    03/19/2024

    That means you might have been activated sooner and the human that activated your order forgot to change the date. We'll go through these before 03/19/2024 but if you notice it generate your invoice on 02/19/2024 then contact us on that day.

    I'm sure I'll forget in two years, please help me now to change the due date to
    Next Due Date 04/07/2024

    In addition, others show the CPU model, I installed any system templates (cendos, debian10, none of them are displayed, AES-NI and VM-x/AMD-V are also closed), please help me deal with it

    Processor : QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
    CPU cores: 1 @ 3693.060 MHz
    AES-NI : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled

    Invoice #1403703

  • @lolmi said:
    @VirMach > @VirMach said:

    @lolmi said:
    @VirMach It still shows the payment date, not today's start date Next Due Date
    03/19/2024

    That means you might have been activated sooner and the human that activated your order forgot to change the date. We'll go through these before 03/19/2024 but if you notice it generate your invoice on 02/19/2024 then contact us on that day.

    I'm sure I'll forget in two years, please help me now to change the due date to
    Next Due Date 04/07/2024

    In addition, others show the CPU model, I installed any system templates (cendos, debian10, none of them are displayed, AES-NI and VM-x/AMD-V are also closed), please help me deal with it

    Processor : QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
    CPU cores: 1 @ 3693.060 MHz
    AES-NI : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled

    Invoice #1403703

    I suggest you might want to open a ticket there.

  • @ravenchad said:

    @lolmi said:
    I'm sure I'll forget in two years, please help me now to change the due date to
    Next Due Date 04/07/2024

    In addition, others show the CPU model, I installed any system templates (cendos, debian10, none of them are displayed, AES-NI and VM-x/AMD-V are also closed), please help me deal with it

    Processor : QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
    CPU cores: 1 @ 3693.060 MHz
    AES-NI : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled

    Invoice #1403703

    I suggest you might want to open a ticket there.

    This may help you guys.

    @tototo said:
    First, install the AlmaLinux template from the client area panel.
    Next, mount the netboot.xyz ISO from the SolusVM panel and install via VNC.
    It is recommended to use a VNC client application such as UltraVNC, as VNC on a browser probably will not work.

    Thanked by 2cybertech FrankZ
  • NoCommentNoComment Member
    edited April 2022

    @vhhjkgl said:
    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms
    Can you see this ?

    Can you read? Virmach has said at least 2-3 times they believe the network issue is due to cpu abuse from kernel panic. It is not because of speed limits or restrictions on mjjs.

    Also, can you be patient?

    These were from your first 14 comments and there's 50 more comments from you on virmach threads which I won't bother quoting.

    @vhhjkgl said: i wan change my migration special VPS from LA to Tokyo.

    @vhhjkgl said: I also send a ticket #351518 .Please to check.Thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can you have power to check my ticket?thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can I request a ticket to migrate to Japan ? Losangel

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 Can you help me to deploy it?thank. go sleep.

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Which time Migration Special (losangel,2020.07.07) can migration???

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year?

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year

    @vhhjkgl said: Please deploy invoice 1396811 (768M) THXS

    Actually, on second thought you should keep commenting. Your continuous bumps are bringing virmach sales and maybe they will eventually notice you and speed limit you specifically. That's good for everyone involved.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

    It's automatic now for the most part, and it tries to go in order of the time it was placed but this is not a 100% guarantee.

  • leendonleendon Member
    edited April 2022

    @VirMach said:

    @VirMach said:

    @leendon said:

    Why does my bill show a bill due on April 7, 2022? I'm so confused about this!

    I'm going to do a manual check of these right now, it seems like people are still reporting it after I had someone else triple check.

    I was unable to find any cases of this, may I have your invoice ID @leendon

    Bill #1412760

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @lolmi said:
    @VirMach > @VirMach said:

    @lolmi said:
    @VirMach It still shows the payment date, not today's start date Next Due Date
    03/19/2024

    That means you might have been activated sooner and the human that activated your order forgot to change the date. We'll go through these before 03/19/2024 but if you notice it generate your invoice on 02/19/2024 then contact us on that day.

    I'm sure I'll forget in two years, please help me now to change the due date to
    Next Due Date 04/07/2024

    In addition, others show the CPU model, I installed any system templates (cendos, debian10, none of them are displayed, AES-NI and VM-x/AMD-V are also closed), please help me deal with it

    Processor : QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
    CPU cores: 1 @ 3693.060 MHz
    AES-NI : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled

    Invoice #1403703

    We're not processing any of these further at this time. We have no interest in swindling you out of money, but it would be best if you contact us if you are billed early. That way you do not have to worry about it and we do not get overloaded with these requests at this time when we're extremely busy.

    Of course if you contacted us at a later time when we are not as busy I'm sure we would assist you then as well, it doesn't necessarily have to be at the last moment but that's how I am answering you to ensure that it will absolutely be done by then. It's the only guarantee I can provide, that we won't force you to make a payment when the due date is incorrect.

  • lolmilolmi Member
    edited April 2022

    @tototo said:

    @tototo said:
    First, install the AlmaLinux template from the client area panel.
    Next, mount the netboot.xyz ISO from the SolusVM panel and install via VNC.
    It is recommended to use a VNC client application such as UltraVNC, as VNC on a browser probably will not work.

    If he handles it like this, can he really let him show the CPU model?
    Why do others directly install debian10 will show

    I'll try it though, thank you

  • @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

    It's automatic now for the most part, and it tries to go in order of the time it was placed but this is not a 100% guarantee.

    is the activation still per minute?

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @leendon said:

    @VirMach said:

    @VirMach said:

    @leendon said:

    Why does my bill show a bill due on April 7, 2022? I'm so confused about this!

    I'm going to do a manual check of these right now, it seems like people are still reporting it after I had someone else triple check.

    I was unable to find any cases of this, may I have your invoice ID @leendon

    Bill #1412760

    This is a storage special, I was only speaking of the Tokyo pre-orders. In any case, I'm not sure where you are getting 05/07/2022 due date from as yours has remained as 04/04/2024.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

    It's automatic now for the most part, and it tries to go in order of the time it was placed but this is not a 100% guarantee.

    is the activation still per minute?

    Yes and I'm monitoring the usage levels and will pause it if it goes above some expected figures.

  • @lolmi said:

    @tototo said:

    @tototo said:
    First, install the AlmaLinux template from the client area panel.
    Next, mount the netboot.xyz ISO from the SolusVM panel and install via VNC.
    It is recommended to use a VNC client application such as UltraVNC, as VNC on a browser probably will not work.

    If he handles it like this, can he really let him show the CPU model?
    Why do others directly install debian10 will show

    I'll try it though, thank you

    Do you mean you don't trust the netboot.xyz image provided by VirMach?
    Then you can download it from the official download page and try it out.

    root@VirMachTokyo:~# awk -F: '/model name/ {name=$2} END {print name}' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//'
    AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core Processor
    
  • @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

    It's automatic now for the most part, and it tries to go in order of the time it was placed but this is not a 100% guarantee.

    is the activation still per minute?

    Yes and I'm monitoring the usage levels and will pause it if it goes above some expected figures.

    Okay, since apparently now its automatic, then within 24hrs, the 2k+ in queue you've mentioned before, should have or be done by today or tomorrow atleast.

  • lolmilolmi Member

    @tototo said:

    @lolmi said:

    @tototo said:

    @tototo said:
    First, install the AlmaLinux template from the client area panel.
    Next, mount the netboot.xyz ISO from the SolusVM panel and install via VNC.
    It is recommended to use a VNC client application such as UltraVNC, as VNC on a browser probably will not work.

    If he handles it like this, can he really let him show the CPU model?
    Why do others directly install debian10 will show

    I'll try it though, thank you

    Do you mean you don't trust the netboot.xyz image provided by VirMach?
    Then you can download it from the official download page and try it out.

    root@VirMachTokyo:~# awk -F: '/model name/ {name=$2} END {print name}' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//'
    AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core Processor
    

    I will try, thank you

  • @lolmi said:

    @tototo said:

    @lolmi said:

    @tototo said:

    @tototo said:
    First, install the AlmaLinux template from the client area panel.
    Next, mount the netboot.xyz ISO from the SolusVM panel and install via VNC.
    It is recommended to use a VNC client application such as UltraVNC, as VNC on a browser probably will not work.

    If he handles it like this, can he really let him show the CPU model?
    Why do others directly install debian10 will show

    I'll try it though, thank you

    Do you mean you don't trust the netboot.xyz image provided by VirMach?
    Then you can download it from the official download page and try it out.

    root@VirMachTokyo:~# awk -F: '/model name/ {name=$2} END {print name}' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//'
    AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core Processor
    

    I will try, thank you

    Maybe has a little different, but I think this page will be helpful.
    https://gist.github.com/AndersonIncorp/9fb7402cf69a0994e175ebec8194847c

    Thanked by 1FrankZ
  • @VirMach said:

    @leendon said:

    @VirMach said:

    @VirMach said:

    @leendon said:

    Why does my bill show a bill due on April 7, 2022? I'm so confused about this!

    I'm going to do a manual check of these right now, it seems like people are still reporting it after I had someone else triple check.

    I was unable to find any cases of this, may I have your invoice ID @leendon

    Bill #1412760

    This is a storage special, I was only speaking of the Tokyo pre-orders. In any case, I'm not sure where you are getting 05/07/2022 due date from as yours has remained as 04/04/2024.

    Because I saw that the payment date is April 11, 2022, I just wondered. If it is a system problem, I can wait for correction. After all, there are many bugs. I purchased a 40-node server, and the current i/o is only 600M. But I've been waiting for your fix, and as for my storage server, I'm waiting too. I hope to deliver results that I am satisfied with.

  • umzakumzak Member

    What about os broken template? Ubuntu 20.04 not working in tyoco 40

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @ravenchad said:

    @VirMach said:

    @hhoosstt said:

    @VirMach said: Too many complaints, we paused creations until people were done testing network, benchmarking, and gave them about a day to complete their setups. It's resuming now.

    @VirMach Will the expiry time of the last powered on service be revised again? The current expiry time is April 7, 2023. If it is not revised, is it unfair to the last person who started the service?

    A few days will not be re-adjusted again. If you want though you can make a ticket in the billing department and ask for credits.

    I still don't understand the way of activation here. Is it per order date or by plan (maybe from small to bigger RAM)? If it's the order date, then what is the current date being activated?

    This will help me and others understand the progress and will not leave us thinking why the due date was changed but still not activated (for the sake of transparency)

    Thanks

    It's automatic now for the most part, and it tries to go in order of the time it was placed but this is not a 100% guarantee.

    is the activation still per minute?

    Yes and I'm monitoring the usage levels and will pause it if it goes above some expected figures.

    Okay, since apparently now its automatic, then within 24hrs, the 2k+ in queue you've mentioned before, should have or be done by today or tomorrow atleast.

    We have to throttle these so it may take longer than 1 per minute. If too many people start setting them up at once, the node overloads right now or causes the issues previously described. I'm monitoring it actively and will give it room to breath before resuming, so you can assume a few stop/restarts in the automated scripts throughout the day.

    Thanked by 1FrankZ
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @umzak said:
    What about os broken template? Ubuntu 20.04 not working in tyoco 40

    These are still in the queue. I had a very busy day with no time to even post around here, but it's getting a little bit less busy so I should get to it soon.

    Thanked by 2umzak FrankZ
  • jz8132543jz8132543 Member
    edited April 2022

    @VirMach Hi, I applied to replace rDNS, but it has not been replaced after a day, Solusvm says.

    Reverse DNS is disabled for this ipaddress. Please contact your service provider for details

    I guess it's because the rDNS API hasn't been updated, I checked xtom's documentation, there is a way to modify rDNS.
    curl -X POST "https://console.xtom.com/api/service/@id/rdns" \\ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \\ -d "{ \"ipaddress\": { \"key\": \"value\" } }"
    https://console.xtom.com/userapi#reverse-dns-101
    Hope it helps your work :D

    PS: These texts are copied from page 110, I hope I didn't make the mistake last time, I hope the problem can be solved, thank you.

  • @VirMach said:

    @umzak said:
    What about os broken template? Ubuntu 20.04 not working in tyoco 40

    These are still in the queue. I had a very busy day with no time to even post around here, but it's getting a little bit less busy so I should get to it soon.

    When will the large storage server be activated? Let's have an idea, no need to wait so uninformed

  • @NoComment said:

    @vhhjkgl said:
    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms
    Can you see this ?

    Can you read? Virmach has said at least 2-3 times they believe the network issue is due to cpu abuse from kernel panic. It is not because of speed limits or restrictions on mjjs.

    Also, can you be patient?

    These were from your first 14 comments and there's 50 more comments from you on virmach threads which I won't bother quoting.

    @vhhjkgl said: i wan change my migration special VPS from LA to Tokyo.

    @vhhjkgl said: I also send a ticket #351518 .Please to check.Thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can you have power to check my ticket?thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can I request a ticket to migrate to Japan ? Losangel

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 Can you help me to deploy it?thank. go sleep.

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Which time Migration Special (losangel,2020.07.07) can migration???

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year?

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year

    @vhhjkgl said: Please deploy invoice 1396811 (768M) THXS

    Actually, on second thought you should keep commenting. Your continuous bumps are bringing virmach sales and maybe they will eventually notice you and speed limit you specifically. That's good for everyone involved.

    This is a request from a different region.The first one is the 21.07.07 migration payment, which is about to expire and has not yet been migrated.Second, it was fine the other day, so why did it start fluctuating last night and no fixes were made, and I wasn't the only one having problems.Thirdly, has it been tested since yesterday until now? No breaks are taken in between.Fourth, why are other nodes not affected when they are also constantly being tested?I send these just to let him find the problem earlier and correct it in time.I send these just to let him find the problem earlier and correct it in time

  • @NoComment said:

    @vhhjkgl said:
    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms
    Can you see this ?

    Can you read? Virmach has said at least 2-3 times they believe the network issue is due to cpu abuse from kernel panic. It is not because of speed limits or restrictions on mjjs.

    Also, can you be patient?

    These were from your first 14 comments and there's 50 more comments from you on virmach threads which I won't bother quoting.

    @vhhjkgl said: i wan change my migration special VPS from LA to Tokyo.

    @vhhjkgl said: I also send a ticket #351518 .Please to check.Thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can you have power to check my ticket?thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can I request a ticket to migrate to Japan ? Losangel

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 Can you help me to deploy it?thank. go sleep.

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Which time Migration Special (losangel,2020.07.07) can migration???

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year?

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year

    @vhhjkgl said: Please deploy invoice 1396811 (768M) THXS

    Actually, on second thought you should keep commenting. Your continuous bumps are bringing virmach sales and maybe they will eventually notice you and speed limit you specifically. That's good for everyone involved.

    Ofen ticket the boss have no time to deal with.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @leendon said:

    @VirMach said:

    @umzak said:
    What about os broken template? Ubuntu 20.04 not working in tyoco 40

    These are still in the queue. I had a very busy day with no time to even post around here, but it's getting a little bit less busy so I should get to it soon.

    When will the large storage server be activated? Let's have an idea, no need to wait so uninformed

    If I had an update on these, it would be provided. I'm going to try to provide an overall update for everything by Monday.

    Thanked by 2FrankZ Xrmaddness
  • @NoComment said:

    @vhhjkgl said:
    往返行程的估计时间(以毫秒为单位):
    最短 172ms,最长 480ms,平均 = 405ms
    Can you see this ?

    Can you read? Virmach has said at least 2-3 times they believe the network issue is due to cpu abuse from kernel panic. It is not because of speed limits or restrictions on mjjs.

    Also, can you be patient?

    These were from your first 14 comments and there's 50 more comments from you on virmach threads which I won't bother quoting.

    @vhhjkgl said: i wan change my migration special VPS from LA to Tokyo.

    @vhhjkgl said: I also send a ticket #351518 .Please to check.Thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can you have power to check my ticket?thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Can I request a ticket to migrate to Japan ? Losangel

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 Can you help me to deploy it?thank. go sleep.

    @vhhjkgl said: Order #553390 thanks

    @vhhjkgl said: Which time Migration Special (losangel,2020.07.07) can migration???

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year?

    @vhhjkgl said: Should i believe it and wait one year

    @vhhjkgl said: Please deploy invoice 1396811 (768M) THXS

    Actually, on second thought you should keep commenting. Your continuous bumps are bringing virmach sales and maybe they will eventually notice you and speed limit you specifically. That's good for everyone involved.

    Please explain why other nodes have no cpu abuse from kernel panic and please pose more moments let people to say i said is wrong opr not.

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