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Voxility VPS Needed

amsaalamsaal Member
edited March 2022 in General

I have a website and game server on hetzner cloud server want to move to voxility vps since it has good TCP/UDP protection.

My requirements is

2 core CPU
2 Gb Ram
20 Gb ssd/nvme

Location: Germany [Must]

Price 5-10eur

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  • yabsyabs Member
    edited March 2022

    Would like to buy one with the same specs or double specs, European location.

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  • @yabs said:
    Would like to buy one with the same specs or double specs.

    depending if it matches the price mentioned 5-10eur

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    What game? Should consider other too.

    Do you want Voxility 24/7 filtering? It will be expensive. If you only want Voxility filtering after an attack is detected with a small drop it will be cheaper, but options are limited.

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  • @MikeA said:
    What game? Should consider other too.

    Do you want Voxility 24/7 filtering? It will be expensive. If you only want Voxility filtering after an attack is detected with a small drop it will be cheaper, but options are limited.

    its Cs 1.6 and website.

    sensor mode is okay for me. after attack like 10-15 secs take place then it can mitgate. Not always on wanted.

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  • sandozsandoz Veteran
    edited March 2022

    With such Prices and requirements I only see:

    https://alexhost.com/vps/
    https://flokinet.is (not sure if they still using Voxility in Romenia)
    https://javapipe.com (Very good know-how about DDoSing)

    Those have Peering with Voxility, however things may Change time to time is better to ask or check in their Peering / Upstreams.

    And few more, I don't remember.

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  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    If it's CS game server why not use OVH game with their CS/source filter? It works well from my experience. And just put your site behind CloudFlare.

  • @sandoz said:
    With such Prices and requirements I only see:

    https://alexhost.com/vps/
    https://flokinet.is (not sure if they still using Voxility in Romenia)
    https://javapipe.com (Very good know-how about DDoSing)

    Those have Peering with Voxility, however things may Change time to time is better to ask or check in their Peering / Upstreams.

    And few more, I don't remember.

    germany have ?

  • amsaalamsaal Member
    edited March 2022

    @MikeA said:
    If it's CS game server why not use OVH game with their CS/source filter? It works well from my experience. And just put your site behind CloudFlare.

    we have ovh game , their tcp protection is not good from my experience [ you need to have mangement traffic seperated from game server then works fine ] . On voxility it works much better. i do have OVH game already which my staff is handling it. Now want to try voxility as some of friend who have top server have confirmed voxility updated their filters for games.

  • You can also get an OVH Game Anti-ddos VPS from MikeA (provider = ExtraVM). It's their own anti-ddos network but it does work well.

    BuyVM from @Francisco still show voxility anti-ddos on their website for 3$/month/ip i think (+ price of the VPS).

  • sandozsandoz Veteran

    @amsaal said:

    @sandoz said:
    With such Prices and requirements I only see:

    https://alexhost.com/vps/
    https://flokinet.is (not sure if they still using Voxility in Romenia)
    https://javapipe.com (Very good know-how about DDoSing)

    Those have Peering with Voxility, however things may Change time to time is better to ask or check in their Peering / Upstreams.

    And few more, I don't remember.

    germany have ?

    Sorry I didn't see Germany Location, but with that prices. Is not easy to find..

    You may check this thread (keep in mind most of them moved to Combahton since is a Germany based Anti-DDoS pretty decent anti-ddos!)
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/163336/looking-for-voxility-game-ddos-protected-dedicated-server-in-germany

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @o_be_one said:
    You can also get an OVH Game Anti-ddos VPS from MikeA (provider = ExtraVM). It's their own anti-ddos network but it does work well.

    BuyVM from @Francisco still show voxility anti-ddos on their website for 3$/month/ip i think (+ price of the VPS).

    Do we really? goddammit.

    We're with Path. We haven't been with Voxility in a few years.

    Francisco

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  • @Francisco said: Do we really? goddammit.

    Ah my bad no it's wrote path.net, was a brain fart as i don't know why i remembered it was still Voxility, sorry for the tag and the worry i've caused ... :disappointed:

  • @Francisco said:

    @o_be_one said:
    You can also get an OVH Game Anti-ddos VPS from MikeA (provider = ExtraVM). It's their own anti-ddos network but it does work well.

    BuyVM from @Francisco still show voxility anti-ddos on their website for 3$/month/ip i think (+ price of the VPS).

    Do we really? goddammit.

    We're with Path. We haven't been with Voxility in a few years.

    Francisco

    you provide germany location cant see in site mentioned otherwise i would order and try your service.

    i just do not want OVH for now since already have 2 . i am looking to try just voxility or something that works good for tcp/udp .

  • WickedWicked Member
    edited March 2022

    JavaPipe almost meet your requirements. Their RO location is Voxility and they also have some custom filtering (I think). I used these back in 2014 and they were great, they also responded to my tickets within minutes.

    https://javapipe.com/kvm-vps

    Didn't see that location was a must.

  • @amsaal said: you provide germany location cant see in site mentioned otherwise i would order and try your service.

    Only Luxembourg, for some people it's close enough ^^.

    I hope you will find, i would like to try the one BuyVM is using, path.net, i don't know how they deal with UDP attacks.

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  • sandozsandoz Veteran
    edited March 2022

    @Wicked said:
    JavaPipe almost meet your requirements. Their RO location is Voxility and they also have some custom filtering (I think). I used these back in 2014 and they were great, they also responded to my tickets within minutes.

    https://javapipe.com/kvm-vps

    Didn't see that location was a must.

    Adding that Javapipe is r00t-services.net (old name of their company, I know someone who was used them. They are very quick and good. Very professional and high skilled team if remains the same..

    They don't have only Voxility but also custom filters, if you see their DDoS Protection page.

  • RapToNRapToN Member, Host Rep

    https://kts24.com servers are located in NL, but they got a direct connection to Frankfurt germany.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @RapToN said:
    https://kts24.com servers are located in NL, but they got a direct connection to Frankfurt germany.

    You mean "we" right, since you own KTS24 :smiley:

  • AdvinAdvin Member, Patron Provider

    https://www.servercow.de/vserver

    Servercow is in Germany and has Voxility protection.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider

    @DP said:

    @RapToN said:
    https://kts24.com servers are located in NL, but they got a direct connection to Frankfurt germany.

    You mean "we" right, since you own KTS24 :smiley:

    I guess he means his datacenter - https://skylink-data-center.nl/
    They run Fibers to Amsterdam/Nikhef and Frankfurt somewhere. Also offers DWDM https://skylink-data-center.nl/colocation/wellenlaenge

    And i guess they interconnect with Voxility in Frankfurt.

    @amsaal
    As for voxility, i guess you are cheapest/best going with KTS24 or Skylink (doesnt offer VPS).
    Voxility transit/interconnect can get very expensive if you get more then few attacks per month (occassional use) - so i dont think there are many providers.

    We ourself use Datacamp transit via a DCSpine interconnect to Nikhef to offer DDoS protection. Inquired at Voxility before but their prices are horror.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @HostSlick said: I guess he means his datacenter - https://skylink-data-center.nl/

    Ok from that perspective then it makes sense :smiley:

  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    Voxility seem pretty cheap tbh. At least their entry plan. 500 USD per month. Why aren't more providers offering this? What's the catch?

    1 year contract

    OCCASIONAL USED
    1-2 attack waves per month
    MONTHLY*
    $448

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  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @ezeth said:
    Voxility seem pretty cheap tbh. At least their entry plan. 500 USD per month. Why aren't more providers offering this? What's the catch?

    1 year contract

    OCCASIONAL USED
    1-2 attack waves per month
    MONTHLY*
    $448

    Thats for 1-2 attack waves per month.
    1Gbit 95/5. << thats nothing

    More then twice attacks per month you are at $1904 for 1Gbit.

    Dont know about your network, i would need atleast more then twice and minimum 5Gbit 95/5 = $3248 ex. Cross-connect/interconnect fees, depending where you are located.

    i have for example ONE customer, hes attacked recently 8h non-stop.
    And there are more attacks per month. Just ONE customer.

    So dont tell me 1-2 waves are enough.

    With cross connect fees i would land at 5k monthly. There are cheaper solutions or better ones at same price ;)

    Why aren't more providers offering this?

    Its a price point

    But i guess Skylink has some kind of custom/bigger deal. Also they are doing inbound only via vox.

    And for this price.. The network is not the best, our DC has used it in the past when we where growing up. 40ms from Germany (office here) to NL. Dunno however if voxility is still sluggish
    The competitor was 13ms

  • LowHostingLowHosting Member, Host Rep
    edited March 2022

    @amsaal said:
    I have a website and game server on hetzner cloud server want to move to voxility vps since it has good TCP/UDP protection.

    My requirements is

    2 core CPU
    2 Gb Ram
    20 Gb ssd/nvme

    Location: Germany [Must]

    Price 5-10eur

    If you need it, we also have Voxility protection (but not only) plus our internal filtering appliances.

    In case of need, we can also do custom rules for you, just open a ticket for it.

    (Germany located)

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @LowHosting said:

    @amsaal said:
    I have a website and game server on hetzner cloud server want to move to voxility vps since it has good TCP/UDP protection.

    My requirements is

    2 core CPU
    2 Gb Ram
    20 Gb ssd/nvme

    Location: Germany [Must]

    Price 5-10eur

    If you need it, we also have Voxility protection (but not only) plus our internal filtering appliances.

    In case of need, we can also do custom rules for you, just open a ticket for it.

    (Germany located)

    >

    @Advin said:
    https://www.servercow.de/vserver

    Servercow is in Germany and has Voxility protection.

    So is Meerfarbig still using voxility? I thought they have own inhouse solutions meantime :smile:
    https://bgp.he.net/AS34549#_asinfo

    At least i can not find it

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  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @HostSlick said: 1Gbit 95/5. << thats nothing

    That's quite a lot no?

    My server averages 100 Mbps. And if I were to terminate the top 50 VMs using the bandwidth I'm sure it would drop to 50 Mbps or less

    Then take shared hosting for example. I don't know if voxility is any good here but bandwidth usage on shared hosting is usually around 1GB/month/account

    @HostSlick said: More then twice attacks per month you are at $1904 for 1Gbit.

    well, attack waves. And I don't see why you would receive more than two attack waves per month unless you accept orders from people who are DDoS magnets. I've received one DDoS attack in total.

    @HostSlick said: i have for example ONE customer, hes attacked recently 8h non-stop.

    There's a simple solution to that. Just terminate him. Why would you host such an abusive customer unless he's paying you enough to cover his fair share?

    @HostSlick said: And for this price.. The network is not the best, our DC has used it in the past when we where growing up. 40ms from Germany (office here) to NL. Dunno however if voxility is still sluggish

    It shouldn't increase latency if it's not in use by more than 1ms. At least that's what I think. When it's in use (rare) latency might jump 20ms sure

    I am a noob at this so please reply and correct me where I'm wrong. Thanks!

  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider

    https://zare.com/ddos-protection might be worth checking out if you need unlimited attacks. but for "OCCASIONAL USE" I think voxility is better. It's only about 2x the price.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @ezeth said: That's quite a lot no?
    My server averages 100 Mbps. And if I were to terminate the top 50 VMs using the bandwidth >I'm sure it would drop to 50 Mbps or less

    Then take shared hosting for example. I don't know if voxility is any good here but >bandwidth usage on shared hosting is usually around 1GB/month/account

    >

    As said, i dont know your network. Every is different. :smile:
    For me 1gbit is nothing.

    Besides Shared/VPS, We host hundreds of Dedicated Servers and as well some Colocation clients that are hosting their hosting company customers. If i check the switch-ports of our VPS nodes, im with you. there we almost same average. I rarely see traffic coming from this part of the network.

    @ezeth said: well, attack waves. And I don't see why you would receive more than two attack waves per month unless you accept orders from people who are DDoS magnets. I've received one DDoS attack in total.

    I have and advertise ddos protection, i wont kick them as long it doesnt affect my other customers.

    On this specific topic, the customer might be a magnet ;)
    @amsaal needs voxility to protect him.
    and thats what we are about.
    1-2 waves can easily happen.

    Check his last posts
    https://lowendtalk.com/profile/discussions/amsaal

    he needs ddos protection. Not just some host that gets fucked their invoices and kicks him out because they are using the occasional plan of vox.

    @ezeth said: There's a simple solution to that. Just terminate him. Why would you host such an abusive customer unless he's paying you enough to cover his fair share?

    Right, its one of the dedicated server customers, so he pays enough.
    I dont count ddos as abuse.

    @ezeth said: https://zare.com/ddos-protection might be worth checking out if you need unlimited attacks. but for "OCCASIONAL USE" I think voxility is better. It's only about 2x the price.

    Filtering is very good indeed with zare if you dont receive big floods. Also for UDP.
    Have used them via the transit we receive from our Datacenter until we setup interconnection to datapacket + shield with support // CDN77 -> Also works well and prices are even lower then zare. (180€/Gbit commit ex cross connect on our 10G port with them we use for bgp inbound) https://www.cdn77.com/security

    But thats what i said, considering price and other solutions on the market availabl, voxility is just not worth it (at least for me)

  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @HostSlick said:
    Filtering is very good indeed with zare if you dont receive big floods. Also for UDP.
    Have used them via the transit we receive from our Datacenter until we setup interconnection to datapacket + shield with support // CDN77 -> Also works well and prices are even lower then zare. (180€/Gbit commit ex cross connect on our 10G port with them we use for bgp inbound) https://www.cdn77.com/security

    But thats what i said, considering price and other solutions on the market availabl, voxility is just not worth it (at least for me)

    I haven't experienced Zare layer 7, https attacks yet but I know voxility is pretty good when it comes to that. How would you compare them?

    Voxility does this:

    The protection, at Lyer7, works like this:
    1) client tries to access your web page - the dos protection serves a dummy page that sets a cookie and sends back to the client to refresh page
    2) if client is a real browser, it will set the cookie and re-access your web page, but this time the protection will see the cookie and allow him to pass and access the page from your server.

    It's similar to the Cloudflare underattack.

  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2022

    @ezeth said:

    @HostSlick said:
    Filtering is very good indeed with zare if you dont receive big floods. Also for UDP.
    Have used them via the transit we receive from our Datacenter until we setup interconnection to datapacket + shield with support // CDN77 -> Also works well and prices are even lower then zare. (180€/Gbit commit ex cross connect on our 10G port with them we use for bgp inbound) https://www.cdn77.com/security

    But thats what i said, considering price and other solutions on the market availabl, voxility is just not worth it (at least for me)

    I haven't experienced Zare layer 7, https attacks yet but I know voxility is pretty good when it comes to that. How would you compare them?

    Voxility does this:

    The protection, at Lyer7, works like this:
    1) client tries to access your web page - the dos protection serves a dummy page that sets a cookie and sends back to the client to refresh page
    2) if client is a real browser, it will set the cookie and re-access your web page, but this time the protection will see the cookie and allow him to pass and access the page from your server.

    It's similar to the Cloudflare underattack.

    I used Voxility dedicated servers a half decade ago, the layer7 was decent indeed.
    Protection during that time on dedis cost 450€ on 4core, 700€ for 8 core servers. Monthly.

    Layer7 zare dont protect. If you want L7 and not talking about TCP/UDP L3/l4 then voxility gave me also the best experience

    But then - in my opinion - layer7 is software side, so you can setup for layer7 a filtering solution with some knowledge yourself. Not a priority for me to require my provider l7 protection.

    Nginx + custom rules , rate limiting, litespeed and custom tweaks or whatever. All possible and filters well for l7 in my opinion.

    You can also use for l7 cloudflare, theres a script on Github which will use Cloudflare API to enable under attack if server under high load

    Another great example is this script
    https://github.com/C0nw0nk/Nginx-Lua-Anti-DDoS

    (Tested. Works well)

    you can save few bucks. :smile:

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