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part of free speech is slander, you cannot have free speech without the fucked up shit that comes with it.
anyways: two people can produce an argument, the one that produces the best argument supported by facts generally ultimately wins in the court of the people.
Need the provider to install the OS to begin with.
Need to obtain installer ISO to local
Need to have local VM infrastructure to begin with
Need to manually install, which is 10-15 minutes depending on packages, minimal vs full DVD iso, etc.
Need to login to panel, login to VNC, root console, boot from rescue or live ISO and boot it
Need to upload to provider using home upload speed, so maybe 3-4GB at 10Mbps upload, all while clogging my home connection.
Need to login to panel, login to VNC, root console with long ass password, set static IP.
You put many hours into your automated scripting to save minutes. That's worth it to do that many times over, but not for others. Doing the above certainly would take over 60 minutes.
He didn't slander him, at all. Slander isn't "he hurt my feelings or my business reputation". You're too sensitive.
Alex provided a log snippet that there was a local login, a console he doesn't have access to. There was no proof that the provider could not or did not login. The provider provided an argument they can and do login to servers.
There's no court that would call that slander.
Why do you keep going on about slander when there's a log showing local login?
"Shitty Romanian hosts are snooping in my data" is slander if you don't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
I can show log from my PC too that someone logged at the console. He doesn't want to show what shit he was up to, fine, give the evidence to the admins, but not giving the host a way to defend is breaking the classic principle "audiatur et altera pars" before conviction.
Don't get me wrong, this particular host does look shady especially since he joined the Francisco gang in cociu's thread and I tend to agree he is capable of such a thing but this does not negate the fundamental right to defense, nor is excusing the lowendlanguage and the uncivil behaviour in many other threads.
You really don't get it?
I doubt that. A proof is:
1. Ticket showing the concern has been raised with the host and the opportunity has been given to investigate;
2. Host showing him logs from the server showing his ToS/AUP breaching or illegal antics or admitting they did that and for what reason.
As the admin said, they received the "proof" and it has been inconclusive.
In case of Prometeus he did not even provide "proof" to the admins, yet he has been allowed to follow me in every thread and make empty accusations. So, it is slander and it is allowed/encouraged because admins were mocking me when flagging the slanderous posts let alone taking any action to even pretend they were upholding the rules.
my man, i fuck with you but maybe you gotta' leave it in the past and not let things get under your skin so much.
people wouldn't come at you so much if you didn't get offended so easily. life isn't that serious.
it's also not about shitty Romanian hosts, it's about this shitty host who happens to be Romanian.
I don't care if Romanian, Turkish or Chinese, it is irrelevant, just an example of slanderous post. Not that the aspect of romanians being dubious shady characters in general has not been raised quite a few times when given the opportunity (cociu's thread too), but as I have said, could have been american or malay, same shit.
that's your view and you have the right to feel that way, just as much as alex has the right to feel the way he does.
Alright, so, I have the right to say you are a pedophile because you support privacy, therefore you have something to hide too, if alex didn't have anything to hide he would have not cared/would have provided evidence, but he is afraid his data would be leaked to some law enforcement. Do I have to provide any proof he was fucking children? No. It is free speech and I have the right to "feel" that way in public.
sure
Yet Francisco is suing someone for alluding to an article claiming he might have had someone else hosted in his servers which was CP friendly and that is fully supported by everyone, but a handful of people.
what you're saying is contradicting right now, do you believe in free speech?
i believe in free speech, i don't support that move which i stated publicly & i love my aussy cunt @dahartigan
I fully support free speech, but slander is not free speech.
He has the right to come public with the allegations IF he provides valid proof.
Giving ample leeway to the accuser to accuse and 0 chances to the accused to defend is NOT free speech, it is bias, it is Inquisition, it is kangaroo court, anything, but free speech especially when the stated intention is to destroy someone's reputation and ruin them (even IF such reputation is non-existent and there is nothing left to ruin).
you can't have free speech without slander, but that's my personal opinion.
regardless, alex did provide proof and the mods decided it wasn't enough, and that's fine but he's not just talking out of his ass here, both parties also had the chance to provide an argument.
the court of public opinion sided with alex, that's the essence of free speech. both parties had the chance to say their 2 cents without censorship.
no offense, but this is not true.
nobody sue nobody.
Alright, he expressed the intention to sue but, since most people were singing the usual praises that Francisco always does what he says, I consider he will sue barring some act of God or something along that line.
That is not true. Neither this host nor me have been given the opportunity to present our defense.
Without a ticket number at least we can't know what happened nor can know for sure he is/was a customer at some point, even, he can talk anything out of his ass and I am not talking only about him here, I mean the general MO of such attacks should not be tolerated.
he did, most definitely.
i don't think this is about him though, i think this is more about you, and if you feel that way then i think you should go ahead and speak your 2 cents on your situation.
again, i fuck with you, i'm not attacking you.
So, you support "free speach" only if it aligns with your own factual interpretation of "being correct". That's so Zedong style.
Everyone has a right to free speach and everyone has right to be wrong. This is not utopia you live in. Please don't enforce your flawed perception of reality and defend it under the "slander" mask.
How? About what situation? He gave me nothing and I bet admins didn't even ask, as it was about me, therefore anything goes.
How can you defend against: "You shoutdown my servers and let the credit expire" other than saying the credit never expires and that we don't shutdown or intervene in any way barring some technical problem, breach of ToS/AUP or request from customer?
He didn't even bother to manufacture something in his PC and post because he knew there will be no need, nobody will ask for proof Maounique is always guilty, if not that, at least for insisting to be given the right to defend.
Of course, I am just asking for the right to prove myself right.
by all means, do that.
some people here don't like you, just like some people here don't like me, but the mods here are pretty tolerant.
if you feel the need, put together a good argument and say what you feel you need to say.
btw: raindog was most definitely just fucking with you, don't let it get under your skin, raindog isn't a bad guy. it was a joke.
Again, how? No ticket number, no chance to know what happened, no chance to defend against a vague accusation especially when the accuser is supported by admins and even the site owner regrets he is not attacking anymore.
i'm referring to your situation, because i know you feel like people here are out to get you & slander you.
in terms of this thread: alex posted this thread, provided proof, the host basically just said fuck you (both had a chance to present an argument). he didn't really need a ticket to prove his point.
Well, he is attacking many other hosts, not only me or this one, so my two hypotheses are:
1. Is shilling indirectly (and directly too) for the "top provider" which supports privacy, blablabla and is not even a customer of the hosts he spreads rumours and FUD about;
2. Has been caught redhanded and given the boot and is trying to get revenge by spreading rumours and slandering the hosts while carefully hiding his identity so they can't know what happened and nobody else knows what he is he up to: spam, ddos, warez, whatever HF support and this forum implicitly by supporting him.
For other people there is a third: he is right, especially since he is atacking me, but I know for sure he is not, so I only have 2 hypotheses to work with.
you're overthinking it, alex literally just doesn't give a fuck.
me, you, and alex have all had perm bans at one point lol.
shoutout to @jbiloh
Sorry, no, 'free speech != slandering. There are no unlimited rights, there's always limits, usually driven by the desire for balance which is a major pillar in laws. On the one hand there is A's right to free speech - but otoh there is B's right not to be harmed, slandered, ruined, etc.
Free speech means that if A has evidence showing B doing bad or illegal things then A may openly and without fear tell about B's bad actions and nobody can stop A doing so.
It does however not mean that anybody can allege B of whatever he pleases. One reason among others being that B has right rights too, in particular the right not to be slandered.
That's why the admins here took the right decision. Without proof and/or clear evidence there was no basis to strip the provider tag or to ban.
I don't like that decision and I do not trust @dedicatserver_ro at all, but still, the decision was right. Even a__holes have rights in a healthy system.
Jsg, you know I love you but the provider himself admitted he logs in to users servers in this post:
Get a room
Damm, this thread derailed sooner than I expected. People trying to prove, hey my e-peenus is bigger than yours.
That's why I love mob justice. Everyone is bat shit crazy haha