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dedi & VPS hosting primer
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i am not fire with nobody , i ask him very friendly to look in his garden and let me in peace .. is follow all my comments so i respond. Who can "a nobody person for me" to know the cost of someone (in my case not eaven my employers don`t know all the costs) , at least is make the smart to know because hi know nothing . Never mind ... she is the best in Romania do not forgott!
What hi don`t want to understand hi pay colocation and a huge amount for upstream (at least i think because the providers what hi mentionated is not cheap in Ro) --- i do not pay ...
also i am in Oradea and liberty global dont have here many clients so yes i had the posibility to play with the price for the line . Also i am top consumator in oradea for internet (wich is not his case in Bucharest) so yes i have some privilage but the "smart guy dont see this"
I have cheap price for electrical cost (closed a contract in 2017 before the price was go up) , and i have a client colocated here witch is sell energy in romania ( clear mr " Gabriel" is ony dreams for such clients)
ETC etc.
But ... but ... he is 600 km away from @cociu!
@dedicatserver_ro
Sorry, but when I (not a Romanian and far, far away) can find out that what you said is wrong, then I wonder how you, being a Romanian and living and working there and designing and or building colos can be so far off.
I suggest you stop hunting @cociu. Let's keep the discussion here related to my OP.
Perhaps, but some providers offer opt-in DDoS protection
Anyway, I was just adding it as a potential additional cost to be taken into consideration (which eventually gets passed on at least in part to the customer)
Gezz, I can only dream about getting bandwidth that cheap in Australia.
none from the important one like : Level3,NTT,HE,Cogent....offer DDOS protection
Sure?
http://www.level3.com/~/media/files/brochures/es_secur_br_ddos_mitigation.pdf
http://www.level3.com/~/media/files/brochures/es_secur_br_ddos_mitigation.pdf
just ignore him ... he know all
Level 3 is the most expensive carrier in the world ( and the best in my opinion ) and yes they offer DDOS protection ,but if you can´t pay one usual 10Gbps conection will you pay for the DDOS ?
@dedicatserver_ro is a disgruntled sister perhaps?
We'll, I'm from Singapore, so I understand the feeling...
Btw, here is what I found on Cloudflare regarding bandwidth costs :
As a neutral party, @dedicatserver_ro I will tell you that you are starting to turn me off with your penchant for shitting in whichever thread @cociu goes. I am probably not the only one to feel this way. Of course, you are welcome to continue your stubborn ways, but I tell you honestly that you are bringing more business to @cociu than if you kept quiet. If you are really that keen to help @cociu to grow his business, continue shitting wherever he goes.
The logic of why a provider whines like a pmsing vps customer who didn't get his ticket answered within 5mins instead of working on their Y2K website and product pricing eludes me.
You're not the only one...
Omg! Maybe @dedicatserver_ro is a secret promoter for @cociu and is playing mind games with us!
Btw, who the hell is @cociufucksarah ?
I bet @cociu doesn't know because he was too drunk.
On a totally seperate note, anyone here got a sister named @sarah?
Since the examples given were Europe centric, let me add
twothree major costs that will also add up. Providers will pass on the costs to the resellers who in turn will pass it down the chain etc.Everybody and their dog in India builds DCs in Mumbai or New Delhi area. Hot, humid (and now polluted- factor in air filtration costs). Thus air conditioning costs go through the roof. Typically 30-35 percent of opex. Most urban areas have restrictions on using raw water, so recycling system must be in place. Ecologically sound, operationally very expensive practise.
Hardware can be leased to reduce capex costs, but opex will kill you. Not to mention diesel generator backup. Using an example to show the cost resulting from lack of reliable electric supply: one amazon warehouse (fulfilment center or goods, not a datacenter) in Delhi area ran on diesel generator for a full year and a half. Costs of operating the diesel generator 24x7 were $213,000 per month at current rates because the grid power was unreliable (this was late 2014/2015, since fixed).
Third factor- rent. Some DCs in Mumbai operate from buildings within the cities. At @ $5 to $6 per square foot in rent alone, this becomes an extremely expensive proposition.
I had PM'd parts of the above message in the morning to jsg because I did not want to add noise to their post. Now that this thread is swinging between sanity and insanity like a drunk monkey swinging off a branch, thought of posting here.
As if her name was important. @cociu had countless of them. Cannot keep track of the names, seriously.
That wasn't a wall of text and readability was perfectly fine with paragraphs and bullet points making it really easy to read.
The Internet parlance you're looking for is a "novel".
As I just came across some providers dedi being down due to a kaputt power supply:
Risking ones reputation, down time, and more due to cutting corners on n+1 PS is a very bad plan.
It just stroke me that I forgot a not small cost factor: WHCMS plus other panel stuff.
Serious omission. Hope the stroke wasn't serious.
@poisson
Well, it made my hair 0.0042% more gray. Sniff.
Do most providers rent rather than own their IP addresses?
No, based on what I know at least the not small providers bought their IP ranges or if they rented them then on long term contracts.
Thanks. With RIPE virtually out of IPs, I was just wondering what the impact might be on low end hosts (and on low end DEALS!) if IP prices rise a lot.
Interesting question. The presumably most evident answer would be "yes prices will (continue to) rise".
But: maybe I'm irreparably optimistic - and I admit that reality seems to contradict me - but I still trust that design issues and decisions will some day be taken away from the mental asylum (that produced e.g. IPv6 as the summit of human insanity) and return to people with an IQ above 100 and some knowledge and experience.
IF (a big if) my hope turns into reality, it would quickly be found out that not IP4 is the problem hunting us but actually DNS - or more precisely its not being used properly.
Explanation: There are only very few services that basically must be on a given port, e.g. 80 and THAT leads to a high need of IPs (not alone but it's a major factor).
So it might be very sensible approach to create a, say, "www" DNS record type that is by default just an 'A' type plus a port, possibly in a well known and easy to parse notation like 'a.b.c.d:port'.
Of course it would be even better to change the 'A' record itself so that all services could be put at arbitrary ports.
That would make "fractional IP4" possible where a low end user would get a number of consecutive ports (say 1024 or 8096) of an IP which would allow IPs to be shared for low end VPSs.
That would allow to extend todays actually needed address space and would also be attractive for ISPs and many of their customers who need a static IP but could usually live well with just, say 4096 ports.
Technically it shouldn't be big problems as port numbers are part of the header anyway, meaning this scheme would not induce any changes in most of the internet infrastructure. On the software side the changes would also be manageable because one would only need a variable (rather than todays constant (e.g. 'port = 80;')) being set by the name resolution call (which delivers the IP anyway).
Considering that the browsers are a de facto cartel anyway it would boil down to mainly just Firefox and Chrome making a small change in their engine to allow the new scheme to work and to use it. Plus the name resolver libraries (which are provided by the OS anyway and hence could be easily adapted too). All in all the required changes would be ridiculously tiny compared to the IPv6 clusterf_ck.
Maybe. But not now. The pain level isn't high enough yet, I guess.
This is one of the more Informative posts here.
I've had it opened in a tab since day0, but decided to wait until I had the reserve brain cycles to parse a big wall of text.
To jsg's credit, this was a structured essay; I could follow along without fatigue.
Easy to follow - nicely structured, well written and simply explained.
One note - on the tech. support costs. Don't know about Romania, but from my country, Serbia, perspective:
Internet has allowed many "tech people" to work on-line. Often for foreign companies.
Also, lots of people migrate to EU and US (Romania, being a part of EU, makes that legal and easy, practically as applying for a job in your own country - so there I suspect it's even more pronounced).
The result is that pays in the "tech" sector have gone up, significantly. Especially for "high quality" people. So good labour is no longer nearly as cheap. Cheaper than Germany, UK and US? Sure. But not nearly as much as it used to be.
For small pay you get kids/beginners who are still learning the ropes, or people who are not very good at what they do - most of the time.
dicks