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Some kind of attack? WHMCS Fake Orders

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  • cnbeining said: Those emails are spams trying to sell sex services. Usually they will post in online forums or direct emails so I am also surprised and wondering why they would spam whmcs

    They're looking for @WSS

    Thanked by 1Falzo
  • @somewhatwindy said:

    cnbeining said: Those emails are spams trying to sell sex services. Usually they will post in online forums or direct emails so I am also surprised and wondering why they would spam whmcs

    They're looking for @WSS

    I really don't think those orders looks like fake orders or attacks - looks like more spam to me.

    Maybe @wss can post more screenshots so we can figure it out?

  • @Ishaq said:

    @Junkless said: Banning the country has proven to be the most effective solution so far.

    During signup they seem to input Australia as the country and use qq.com emails which don't exist.

    host mx3.qq.com[184.105.206.85] said: 550 Mailbox not found.

    I meant blocking the traffic from China for some time. Obviously, it will only work for people who do not have any existing customers from China. Irrespective of the country they use, these are mostly from China.

    such order/ticket spam from qq.com is not new. I have seen many people complaining about such spam from this domain in the recent past.

  • qpsqps Member, Host Rep

    I disabled the "create new account without order" function and this stopped.

  • @randvegeta said:

    @FoxelVox said:
    Or they are creating phishing websites and order a shitload services, and within 3 days you receive your first abuse reports. That is the way it goes with a local hosting company i work for.

    How does that work. The hosting service doesn't get activated cuz they aren't paying for anything.

    They pay with paysafecards at this company, for a 5/Yr webhosting package. Then we recieve a abuse report from either Netkraft or Google Fraud report and suspend them immediately. They have No right on money Back and They paid by paysafe (their mistake Paypal was also an option) So we cant refund it

  • skutter2kskutter2k Member
    edited April 2018

    @qps said:
    I disabled the "create new account without order" function and this stopped.

    I did this too but it didn't help until I added a custom field that asked them to type YES to continue.

    Thanked by 1Junkless
  • I have tried a few tricks however I have noticed that since the latest update the recaptcha box does not appear on new orders only on the domain checking page!

  • KrisKris Member
    edited April 2018

    Neoon said: 5k captchas, 6$?! dafuq.

    DeathByCaptcha is so 2005. Haven't needed humans in a while due to things like XEvil.

  • donlidonli Member

    @Kris said:

    Neoon said: 5k captchas, 6$?! dafuq.

    DeathByCaptcha is so 2005. Haven't needed humans in a while due to things like XEvil.

    Looks like that thing may be more successful at solving captcha than I am.

  • If you think captcha solving for that amount of money is too low, try Facebook hiring mods through oDesk who usually were from Morocco to moderate "some of the worst things I have ever seen" according to one guy for $1/hr

  • @doughmanes said:
    If you think captcha solving for that amount of money is too low, try Facebook hiring mods through oDesk who usually were from Morocco to moderate "some of the worst things I have ever seen" according to one guy for $1/hr

    $1/hr to them is like $25/hr here in the states. The PPP against the US dollar over there is pretty good last I heard.

  • Oops,Obviously your mailbox was compromised by illegal gambling websites in China.
    They use robots to crawl mailboxes on search engines, so I want your email to be sent to certain forums in China.

  • vpsGODvpsGOD Member, Host Rep

    @randvegeta @WebProject @AlexanderM @quadhost This type of bot can be easily stopped...... Sure bot know how to automate the default registration form

    Just create a custom client field with required option.

    As now they missing the custom field value ..none of their try, enter to your database.

    We able to block it 100%. Hope it helps

  • vpsGOD said: @quadhost This type of bot can be easily stopped...... Sure bot know how to automate the default registration form

    We already have validation filtering on the form working from yesterday. Nice and quiet over here now.

    vpsGOD said: Just create a custom client field with required option.

    We already had this, likely they have not updated the script for your site yet since you added the custom field.

  • WebProjectWebProject Veteran, 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @vpsGOD said:
    @randvegeta @WebProject @AlexanderM @quadhost This type of bot can be easily stopped...... Sure bot know how to automate the default registration form

    Just create a custom client field with required option.

    As now they missing the custom field value ..none of their try, enter to your database.

    We able to block it 100%. Hope it helps

    Thank you for sharing. We do use clientexec software and we do have at least 3 custom customers rules, but some users can do quick registration less than 1 minute order/registration.

  • i received 2000 + new registrations of client from qq.com fake one

  • vpsGODvpsGOD Member, Host Rep
    edited April 2018

    @Dilstar how long you receiving such registration on WHMCS. I don't think 2000+ possible by the bot we discussing in few days .(we have got email from over 15 different email domain with average internal 30 minutes )

    Follow the custom field method i informed on previous reply

    Don't block qq.com their are many valid clients using the email domain.

  • @doghouch said:

    @ricardo said:

    randvegeta said: How are they bypassing the Captcha?

    The WHMCS standard one? That is pretty poor, deathbycaptcha and a bunch of other automated attempts would circumvent it. The only half decent implementation is google recaptcha.

    Well, Google’s engineers still haven’t decided on what a “street sign” or “car” is.

    Well, you're basically training Google's neural networks by filling in reCAPTCHAs. reCAPTCHA stopped being about bot prevention a long time ago, and now it's really just a way for Google to get free labour out of everybody, while pretending that it's still a good bot prevention mechanism.

    There's roughly two kinds of CAPTCHAs:

    1. CAPTCHAs that generate challenges that are supposedly difficult to solve for computers, but easy for humans. Older CAPTCHA mechanisms relied on OCR being difficult to get right, and just generated noisy series of characters that would be easy for humans to read, but difficult for computers to parse (except for RapidShare and their infamous cat CAPTCHA, which did the opposite...)
    2. CAPTCHAs that train themselves by presenting challenges that are neither easily solvable by computers nor generated by computers. reCAPTCHA started out as one of these, showing snippets of books that you were asked to copy as text. One of the words was the 'control' (a known answer to verify you weren't filling in random junk), the other was the challenge (which would be added to the database).

    Current-day reCAPTCHAs are basically still the second category, except with a little more complexity. Now you're training Google's neural networks for free (rather than the originally lofty goal of reCAPTCHA, namely transcribing public domain books for the common good), and depending on how bot-y your client looks, you get more or less control questions. But it's still the same concept.

    The thing is, breaking CAPTCHAs is similarly simple. It's literally just a matter of automating whatever you can to solve CAPTCHAs (since automated solving is effectively free), and the remaining CAPTCHAs get passed to a human in a low-GDP country to solve manually for a pittance. This works for any kind of CAPTCHA, because it's being solved by a human.

    The best solution for CAPTCHAs remains a 'reverse CAPTCHA', which is literally just a CSS-hidden field that only bots will fill out. Any generic, untargeted bot is going to break on this in the same way that it'd break on a 'regular' CAPTCHA, except you're not bothering your users and it doesn't require JS.

    Targeted bots can't be stopped by that, but they can't be stopped by reCAPTCHA either; when you're dealing with a targeted bot, that means that somebody either hates you enough or considers you profitable enough to write code specifically for you - which means they'll also probably be willing to fork over a few bucks to DeathByCAPTCHA and similar services.

    For targeted attacks, your best bet is content filtering/detection or behavioural analysis of some sort. There exists no generic solution for it.

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  • They have a myBB plugin that blocks all these suspicious ass email services. Im sure you could just export the list and block it in WHMCS or just use recaptcha

  • Yup These chinese morons try to get a pre payment service... It has happened with many hosts in the pasts...

  • @joepie91 I'm aware of how it works and I'll be honest: I've thought of paying for someone else to fill my captchas. It's at the point now that Google doesn't care whether a bot gets through or not; they just want you to train their system for OCR (like you said).

    I get frustrated because Google expects us to fill their captchas without giving a single criteria/instruction on what they mean by ex. "car" or "store fronts."

  • DewlanceVPSDewlanceVPS Member, Patron Provider

    Received order from China but most of customers IP Location distance is not less than 1500. Idk why.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member
    edited April 2018

    @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I'm aware of how it works and I'll be honest: I've thought of paying for someone else to fill my captchas. It's at the point now that Google doesn't care whether a bot gets through or not; they just want you to train their system for OCR (like you said).

    I get frustrated because Google expects us to fill their captchas without giving a single criteria/instruction on what they mean by ex. "car" or "store fronts."

    Right, I probably should've been clearer that I wasn't so much trying to explain it to you, as I was chaining my explanation onto your remark :P I figured your original comment was somewhat sarcastic anyway.

    But yeah, I don't think precision is really needed for their training procedure. The goal, after all, is to train a car to spot things like a human-who's-paying-attention, so an averaged answer of lots of humans will do just fine.

    That that produces a horrible user experience for the people doing the training... I don't think they really care much about that either :)

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited April 2018

    @joepie91 said:

    @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I'm aware of how it works and I'll be honest: I've thought of paying for someone else to fill my captchas. It's at the point now that Google doesn't care whether a bot gets through or not; they just want you to train their system for OCR (like you said).

    I get frustrated because Google expects us to fill their captchas without giving a single criteria/instruction on what they mean by ex. "car" or "store fronts."

    Right, I probably should've been clearer that I wasn't so much trying to explain it to you, as I was chaining my explanation onto your remark :P I figured your original comment was somewhat sarcastic anyway.

    But yeah, I don't think precision is really needed for their training procedure. The goal, after all, is to train a car to spot things like a human-who's-paying-attention, so an averaged answer of lots of humans will do just fine.

    That that produces a horrible user experience for the people doing the training... I don't think they really care much about that either :)

    :(

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited April 2018

    Seeing a bit of this, for those curious here's the IP addresses we're seeing:

    +----------------+----------------+
    | ip | total_accounts |
    +----------------+----------------+
    | 61.49.62.66 | 27 |
    | 61.49.62.113 | 77 |
    | 61.216.157.185 | 5 |
    | 36.255.96.216 | 3 |
    | 36.255.96.182 | 8 |
    | 36.255.96.10 | 33 |
    | 203.69.105.4 | 2 |
    | 172.94.80.12 | 13 |
    | 172.94.80.106 | 2 |
    | 172.94.56.9 | 1 |
    | 172.87.26.196 | 10 |
    | 172.87.26.194 | 45 |
    | 172.111.185.58 | 1 |
    | 172.111.185.49 | 38 |
    | 141.101.156.98 | 14 |
    | 141.101.156.13 | 9 |
    | 117.81.120.158 | 2 |
    +----------------+----------------+

    Francisco

  • mc323mc323 Member

    I saw some suppliers discriminating against Chinese people.
    I will sort out the list of these suppliers and tell my friends not to buy your services.

  • dynamodynamo Member
    edited April 2018

    @mc323 said: I will sort out the list of these suppliers and tell my friends not to buy your services.

    Is it part of US-China trade war?

    :D

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @mc323 said:
    I saw some suppliers discriminating against Chinese people.
    I will sort out the list of these suppliers and tell my friends not to buy your services.

    Who is this question directed at?

  • mc323 said: I saw some suppliers discriminating against Chinese people. I will sort out the list of these suppliers and tell my friends not to buy your services.

    Thank you for your additional security against chargebacks.

  • ricardoricardo Member
    edited April 2018

    mc323 said: I saw some suppliers discriminating against Chinese people

    Probably not a very accurate depiction of what you're trying to say either, perhaps you mean people inside China. Lots of Chinese people in Europe that (I would imagine) do not have their datapoints flagged.

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