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PayPal Reversal of Funds

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  • Was the payment 'Under Review' ?

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    Clouvider said: @raindog308 it was definitely verified when I was adding my first card, no deposits when 2nd and subsequent.

    Interesting...my paypal account is ancient, so I must not remember.

  • Paypal has no protection on any virtual services. As long as charged back reason is "unauthourized payment", you will not able to win the charged back. I had tried to send the account information to paypal id email even they registered from another email, user used the service, after almost one month, they claim charged back on unauthorized payment, i lose the case.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep

    As a tip for future, when selling things online through paypal if the payment comes from a different email address forward the paypal payment confirmation to the registered paypal address asking them to reply confirming they authorized the payment.

    It is not uncommon for people to use different email addresses for services than the one they may have used to sign up, but if they cant reply to your email sent directly to the paypal address just forget it and refund before you get stung.

    Thanked by 4K4Y5 Mridul netomx ATHK
  • MridulMridul Member
    edited April 2016

    @AnthonySmith said:
    As a tip for future, when selling things online through paypal if the payment comes from a different email address forward the paypal payment confirmation to the registered paypal address asking them to reply confirming they authorized the payment.

    It is not uncommon for people to use different email addresses for services than the one they may have used to sign up, but if they cant reply to your email sent directly to the paypal address just forget it and refund before you get stung.

    I do that manually. This time it was Same. WHMCS EMail and PayPal Account mail are a perfect match.

  • takerhosttakerhost Member
    edited April 2016

    It is regrettable to us too us happened, but when we see customers with false data and see the IP does not belong to the place is given to the customer to send image of the ID or passport holder or canceled directly order the opportunity.

  • You're lucky it's only $15 really. Some people get done for thousands. I took a few grand managed service payment from Iran a few months ago. Was slightly worried at first. Passed 3 separate fraud checks and some vetting. I'd suggest putting fraud checks in place if you don't already have them. I use 2Checkout's fraud checks, Maxmind and if it's an exceptionally large payment, ask for ID etc.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep

    Mridul said: I do that manually. This time it was Same. WHMCS EMail and PayPal Account mail are a perfect match.

    And you sent the email and header to paypal to show confirmation from the email owner?

  • emgemg Veteran

    I am confused by what happened. I have read so many accounts written by customers who complain that the provider failed utterly, e.g. they ordered a VPS that was not delivered or their VPS was cancelled immediately after paying for a full year subscription. Most of the time, PayPal rejected their refund requests. The prevailing wisdom has been "PayPal will not refund virtual goods."

    It may not be worth your time for $15, but you provided proof of delivery, and this is a virtual product. I would ask PayPal to review the decision and explain in more detail why they refunded the customer's money.

  • @emg said:
    It may not be worth your time for $15, but you provided proof of delivery, and this is a virtual product. I would ask PayPal to review the decision and explain in more detail why they refunded the customer's money.

    Why wouldn't they refund the money? The person with the PayPal account didn't order any services and has no interest in any of this. It's the customer who should pay - and good luck with that.

  • @Mridul said:
    Okey,

    I sold a reseller hosting to a guy from Africa. Later the funds got reversed from payPal and they say its a case of "Un Authorised" Payment.

    We replied with proof of deliverly, invoices and account info.

    The Client seems totatally unaware ( he didnt do any thing to file a dispute or whatever ) keeps in touch thoughout and says his account is limited now and the case status is "reviwed by paypal"

    And today i recieve a confirmation that the funds are now reversed. I lost $15.

    As per their last email :

    We have conducted a review of a payment that you received. In this case, returning the funds to the sender was determined to be the appropriate action, and we have completed a reversal of the payment. **Good selling practices like trackable shipping, prompt shipment, and communication between buyer and seller help prevent disputes.
    **

    I dont get it, the Buyer never requested any dispute and their was no complain from his side. How can PayPal act on its own and reverse the payment.

    Was it a case of stolen Card ? They never said so. They just asked for a proof of shipment.
    Plz advise.

    let me recommend you what to do to win it and have the best chance of it coming favorable to you on your side.
    call paypal on the phone it is better to talk to someone from paypal over the phone as you have a much more likely chance of winning if you talk to a paypal rep directly over the phone

    second whatever billing panel you use(whmcs,blesta,etc) take a screenshot of it using the snipping tool on win7& above and then highlight the services the buyer received paid for etc. I highlighted everything in whmcs at the time this happened to me last I highlighted the service their name on the profile their transaction id's everything to make it very clear in the screenshots they got what they paid for. and then I took screenshots from virtualizor as well showing the servers(vps's) are on and active and they have been delivered(the claim was they wasn't delivered) and then I submitted all of this to paypal called back paypal on the phone and told them "I would like to dispute the chargeback I received" and they saw the detailed screenshots I made the paypal rep even said highlighting it made it very clear they got what they ordered. and then the paypal rep was able to reverse the claim and resolve it in my favor and then added a "red flag" on the buyer's account for submitting a false claim/dispute(you know fraud) and said the issue has been resolved and I should see the money back in my paypal.

  • MridulMridul Member
    edited April 2016

    I didnt really suspetcted that i need it. But Thanx buddy i would in future.
    But, I simply sent a screen shot highlighing the email and i did tell them its the same.

    But anthony, i feel the paypal account was not fake , the creditcard was. Hence the Limitation and reversal as @Clouvider suggested.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep

    ah fair one.

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