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"...or confusing to use for beginners (Virtualmin)((. I **really like VestaCP, but it confuses people that aren't used to non-icon layouts like how cPanel/Kloxo does it (like me), but I personally like it."
Seriously, do people here just wake up in the morning and do some selective reading just so they could bash an OP? I see this happening to a lot of threads here.
I apologize for me calling you inappopriate things, it was 12:35 in the morning and I was struggling to get some sleep. Anyway, GCat also mentioned to me to consider Python, so I will. I really didn't like your choice of words (and your sarcasm) so I had to say something to at least keep the discussion related to the topic, and not some sort of a magnet for personal attacks (which I admittedly just did when I replied earlier).
I think you did some selective reading yourself :-)
Good luck @definitelyliam!
I wait it for testing... If contain some back-up functions,some Filemanager for easy up/download, both Apache+NginX ,will be better..
Well, I wouldn't set a ton of expectations. The project is still in its infancy, so it's still a very long way to go.
Again, everyone, thanks for the support and feedback. Now, if mods could close this thread I'd be thankful. Time to go to work, and possibly start ignoring personal attacks that could be accumulated in this thread.
Interesting with website say: 'OpenCP's front-end uses a solid framework for security...'.
Are you sure about it?.
As a design suggestion, use a RESTful service at the backend. Why?
/services/web
and all URLs with that prefix will get sent to that plugin. Adding new services is just a simple matter of registering for a subtree. Individual modules may need to publish capabilities through a JSON file. For instance, if you doGET /services/web
you might get a JSON file providing a list of webservers installed (Nginx/Apache), and on probing further (/services/web/nginx/domains
) you would get a list of domains in JSON format, and so on. UsePOST
to create a new service, andPUT
to modify config.At the most abstract level, you can think of your application providing service discovery and message-broking between the front-end and a bunch of backend plugins.
The broad framework maybe too abstract for your needs, but you can pick and choose some useful patterns.
For implementation, Python is a decent choice for the backend: it has all the system stuff easily available. The
os
module lets you change permissions, move and delete files etc. For installing software you can use theos.exec*
commands to call
apt/yum
.For the frontend, I would suggest Javascript. You dont want the browser contacting the server each time the user clicks on something. Deliver your JS bundles to the browser which then constructs the page, and render on the browser. Minimize communication between server and browser.
Some references:
The Twelve Factor App
The REST cookbook
Pointing out the facts doesn't make him an asshole, it makes him wise. You are the one being the asshole for attacking him because ...your feelings... got hurt.
Actually he did exactly that. You were too butthurt to notice but that's not his fault.
You really need to stop being a total douche.
OK, so here's some real feedback @definitelyliam:
Hey, welcome to LET.
Could you use some features of ISPConfig3?
First learn to differentiate personal attacks and criticism. You're not always going to get positive feedbacks.
For the front-end, yes. There's no exact guarantee to it, but the project will use a solid and tested framework.
Thanks. Will show this to GCat.
As for the personal attack thing, there's a way to put things into perspective. Doing them rudely will not help.
Hello
I'd love to see an open source control panel. Just make sure you don't miss anything or take shortcuts because it's opensource . I've seen many other project where development just stops after awhile, don't be one of those developers and just throw the project away.
Sounds good to me. You seem to know what you want to do! I'll be interested to see how this turns out.
Howdy all,
I work on Virtualmin.
I don't want to distract from the conversation here, but if there are specific areas where anyone feels Virtualmin could be easier to use (whether for administrators or customers), please do let me know directly or in the Virtualmin forums. We're overhauling the UI lately, and welcome feedback, especially specific feedback (like, "Domain owners should not see X menu option" or whatever, or "This menu item should be located in another subcategory", or "This feature should be deprecated").
Please don't post Virtualmin requests on this thread, as I don't want to take away from the ongoing conversation about what definitelyliam is working on; just let me know via email or over on the Virtualmin forums. (I dropped in to this thread because I got a Google alert about folks discussing Virtualmin, and then got interested in the conversation.)
Also, I wish someone were working on a nice Open Source web hosting billing system, as well! It's a big job, and the best options (WHMCS, probably) aren't free.
Best of luck with your project, definitelyliam! It's a fun challenge, and there's always room for new ideas. Feel free to hit me up if you have questions about handling some of the trickier bits of shared hosting deployments (stuff like suexec with fcgid or PHP-FPM can be tricky to get right, especially in a safe way for many users on the system, and mail handling with spam and AV scanning, etc. are big jobs with huge and complicated dependency chains).
Cheers,
Joe
Aw, that's OK. I was kind of an ass.