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China Telecom - CN2 Bandwidth with BGP?

randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

Anyone have proper direct connection to China Telecom? Not interested in PCCW or other HK based IPS with CT in the mix. I'm looking for pure CT bandwidth. Preferably in HK, but maybe other locations will work fine (can't see why CT in Macau would be any worse than HK for example..)

I am aware of the high price. Looking for either a better price, or possibly just more flexible terms. I'm just looking for options better than options than what I currently have.

Anyone?

Comments

  • CT in MO - this is... not going to be cheaper.

    The few km distance and the CTM monopoly (we all know Mtel merely exists on paper and in some buildings) higher costs to the extreme (CTM charges you somewhere around US$ 1000 per TB by default, and they have not really any negotiation interest - well, why, they are the monopoly after all and the casinos pay 30k for 100Mbit commit just fine..)

    From what i heard their CT/CU/CM in MO are nicely uncongested though.

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @William, didn't think Macau would have been any cheaper than HK. As far as I am aware, HK has the best prices for CT, but in case some one has an excellent price elsewhere, I just wanted to make clear that I am open to all location.

  • ericlericl Member
    edited November 2016

    CT Americas can assist with the request for IP in HK.

    Feel free to contact me at [email protected]

    Eric Lo

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2016

    randvegeta said: HK has the best prices for CT, but in case some one has an excellent price elsewhere

    hm, Taiwan has some good pricing at times but if you carry it back to HK it is probably not really cost effective...

    Offtopic: but still, Macao would be nice to host in, CTM has a modern DC in central with direct CN and HK links (but no other fiber/submarine cable landing as far as i know) however the pricing is just insane and not justified...

  • edited November 2016

    What price and term are you trying to hit?

    Please feel free to contact me with more info, in addition to your expected timeframe - we recently acquired a large IP transit/transport service company so we now have even larger commits with dozens of carriers and can provide aggressive bandwidth pricing.

    [email protected]

  • @William said:
    CT in MO - this is... not going to be cheaper.

    The few km distance and the CTM monopoly (we all know Mtel merely exists on paper and in some buildings) higher costs to the extreme (CTM charges you somewhere around US$ 1000 per TB by default, and they have not really any negotiation interest - well, why, they are the monopoly after all and the casinos pay 30k for 100Mbit commit just fine..)

    From what i heard their CT/CU/CM in MO are nicely uncongested though.

    Well cheap BW (aka. China Unicom) ≠ quality/congested

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    QuadraNet_Adam said: What price and term are you trying to hit?

    We are currently paying around HK$1,100 /mbit. Due to the high cost, demand is not all that large, and so our utilisation is actually low. But demand would be higher at lower prices.

    If I am unable to get a lower price, then more flexible terms would be nice. For example. 95% billing, no fixed contract term, etc. Any advantage over the contract with CT would be nice.

    If the routes are via USA, then I would need to have much much much lower pricing, but would still consider if data transfer rates are fast and stable. But with the increase in latency it would be less desirable.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2016

    randvegeta said: If the routes are via USA, then I would need to have much much much lower pricing, but would still consider if data transfer rates are fast and stable

    Yea, need the same, sadly this route becomes also congested by now...

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @William,

    If you find some, would you care to share :-).

    Plenty of things I can think of that would benefit from good / stable speeds that do not require low latency.

  • Didn't some Russian ISP in the russian far east have direct peering with China? Perhaps you can talk with them.

  • rds100 said: Didn't some Russian ISP in the russian far east have direct peering with China? Perhaps you can talk with them.

    Rostelecom runs a backbone up to Asia, yea - it also covers Mongolia and has a link into China. Not congested at this time (the CN<>RU traffic is negligible especially in the highly populated Chinese coastal regions) but i'm not aware of anyone getting BGP and unless hosting inside Russia makes sense the backhaul is.. complicated.. to anywhere (or expensive, ReTN will sell you a 10G circuit from Vladivostok to Frankfurt, np)

  • I wonder if some of the cheaper Russian VPS providers are able to get good connectivity to China Telecom, anyone tried testing?

  • @Dan said:
    I wonder if some of the cheaper Russian VPS providers are able to get good connectivity to China Telecom, anyone tried testing?

    try Rostelecom?
    it has direct connection with ChinaTelecom Beijing, however it is going on the way of being congested day by day,
    like 3 months ago it was fine, now it's just like another common Euro route to China

  • please feel free to contact me about CT IP connectivity in the US/China/APAC. we provide a direct connection to CT's backbone. thanks [email protected]

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @ericl, what is your pricing like in APAC? CT in China is kind of pointless since the whole point of getting CT BW is to get good, stable, fast access TO China from the outside.

  • randvegeta said: CT in China is kind of pointless since the whole point of getting CT BW is to get good, stable, fast access TO China from the outside.

    Well in THEORY they can sell you also a transport circuit back to the US or to HK/TW, just makes not much sense licensing wise ;)

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    William said: just makes not much sense licensing wise ;)

    Hence being being kind of pointless. I already have access to CT in HK, so I'm looking for something that can save me some money.

    BTW, do you work alone or are you part of a bigger group/company or something?

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2016

    randvegeta said: Hence being being kind of pointless.

    You'll laugh but backhaul from CN to Europe/Halfway (yea, yea... Dubai) and local transit, IF you can get the local licensing crap done efficiently in any way (can anyone even do that? does an ICP form still go around 3 offices before being declined 2 times just to be reversed above again if you complain?), is a more cost effective option than direct china in Asia...

    Seems the eastbound routes from Belarus are still nice, someone did show me today - we'll see for a service offer, but not useful for you i assume (EU backhaul...).

    randvegeta said: BTW, do you work alone or are you part of a bigger group/company or something?

    No comment... we form networks and sell services ;)

  • randvegetarandvegeta Member, Host Rep

    @William. How many times has he said propane and propane accessories? They have lost all meaning to me now,

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