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How to respond to ID scan requests

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  • Utility bill is as much as I'll give, and even then only with a watermark of hosts name on it.

  • If you don't trust your host. Don't host with them. It's that simple.

    You don't trust them and they don't trust you. It's a Win-Win also

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  • emgemg Veteran

    @impossiblystupid said:

    How in the hell is an ID private? Getting carded happens all the time at any place selling alcohol or other items with age restrictions.

    They could more easily abuse your credit card info than your ID. So could any random waitress. Such theft is vanishingly small compared to other exposure. Unless you have evidence of identity theft directly related to a provider's ID verification, I think you're just being paranoid.

    In the situations you describe, the ID is ephemeral. The cashier looks at it and returns it. They do not get a copy of your ID that must be secured and could easily be retained, transmitted, stolen, etc.

    In the USA, consumers can mitigate credit card abuse risk by monitoring their statements. Unauthorized charges are refunded by the credit card issuer. Personally, I generate "one-time" credit card numbers with a two month expiration date. They are more difficult to abuse. I wish that more banks had the one-time credit card number service.

  • pbgbenpbgben Member, Host Rep

    Its not so much as "not trusting them" trust is a vague word and means different things... people "trust" in the gods and do silly things.... some people get high as a kite and "trust" they can fly.....

    You pay low end pricing, which means the host has to cut costs and that could be the line between the safety of your identity.

    I have no problem with providers needing to ID the person that is to use their services but if a fraud check fails then leave it at that. Just refund the order and move on.

    Fake I'd can easily be made in Photoshop so it won't stop the real fuktards (Auto corrected to guitars) form passing your "check" and abusing the shit out of whatever they can.

    Meh, that is all. Don't forget to feed the cat*

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @KuJoe said:
    On a completely unrelated note to this thread....

    Kids who think they know everything are the worst clients ever.

    The enlightened millennial with their Reddit law degree and Wikipedia education. My generation has been conditioned to believe that rejecting things previously viewed as normal is an indication of enlightenment. It may well be. Sometimes, though, it's an indication of an excessive sense of entitlement and an irrational sense of control over other people's actions.

    I hope the next generation remembers the word "humble."

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  • @jarland said:
    excessive sense of entitlement

    Reduntancy detected :)

  • @emg said:
    In the situations you describe, the ID is ephemeral. The cashier looks at it and returns it.

    That may be your assumption, but it's not necessarily true (as other's have pointed out). Just like when your waitress goes off with your credit card. You assume they're not going to record the info and abuse it, but you can't be sure. It comes down to a certain level of trust and, as has already been said, if you don't trust your provider to some extent, you shouldn't be doing business with them.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    Maybe providers should use SnapChat - you can see it pnce but not store it. Yes of course screenshots and pic-of-phone but it's better than "email me your ID".

    I disagree with the "trust your host" sentiments because I'm already showing huge trust - I'm putting my data on their disks. I'm giving them my cash for a future service that I can't hold in my hands. And really, in some cases, the number of acceptable hosts is small and if they all have the same policy...

    The risk is all out of whack on both sides. Providers face soiled IPs, downtime, DDOS participation, the FBI swooping in to investigate child porn, chargebacks, etc. The subscriber risks identity theft which runs the spectrum from annoying paperwork to life-changing consequences.

    This is the best system we've come up with? Freakin' humans. When the bots take over this will all go more smoothly.

  • emgemg Veteran

    @impossiblystupid said:

    That may be your assumption, but it's not necessarily true (as other's have pointed out). Just like when your waitress goes off with your credit card. You assume they're not going to record the info and abuse it, but you can't be sure. It comes down to a certain level of trust and, as has already been said, if you don't trust your provider to some extent, you shouldn't be doing business with them.

    Yeah, the waitress/waiter scenario is real and it happens frequently. As I said before: In the USA, if you watch your credit card statements for fraud and report it, then you are covered. You need not worry about the "waitress scenario." Moreover, banks have improved their fraud detection skills by watching for unusual spending pattern changes.

    In your example, you give the waitress/waiter your credit card, but you don't generally give her or him your ID to carry off.

  • @emg said:
    Yeah, the waitress/waiter scenario is real and it happens frequently.

    No. It may be something a few isolated morons try, but it is trivially easy to track that kind of theft back to the perpetrator. These days criminals have much better ways of getting at vast CC databases than relying on isolated individuals doing manual copying.

    In your example, you give the waitress/waiter your credit card, but you don't generally give her or him your ID to carry off.

    But these days, if they wanted to, they could easily photograph or swipe it without going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if some security systems had special cameras set up to capture them. Just because you think your ID is somehow private doesn't mean that anyone else does.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    I certainly hope no one gets my drivers license ID so they can renew it for me on the state website.

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