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Looking to run tor exit relays outside of US and EU

torfantorfan Member
edited December 2012 in General

Hi,

I'm looking to run tor exit relays outside of the US and EU. Generally, Asia, Africa, South America. Bonus if there are no MLATs with US or EU countries.

advice on hosters?

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  • Spoiler: no MLAT, probably crappy/expensive Internet connection.

    Go back to the drawing board with this idea.

  • crappy is ok. i can run tor exit relays in 256MB of ram.

    mlat-free is a bonus.

    hosters in .sa and .ir were great for a bit

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @torfan said: crappy is ok. i can run tor exit relays in 256MB of ram.

    I can run in 128, but he was writing about connection being bad, not machine/specs.
    The bw is very expensive in places where internet is not yet strictly controlled.

  • How about go with a country that "hates America".

    Venezuela, Cuba, etc...

  • @Maounique said: The bw is very expensive in places where internet is not yet strictly controlled.

    I tried the same thing he did many years ago and Tor exit nodes, regardless of how strict your exit policy is, are targets of DDoS. That is why I'm an ex-Tor node operator and I discourage folks from engaging in this kind of behavior, on shared environments like VPS hosting, because of the problems that accompany Tor exit nodes.

    If you ran a Tor exit node on some OVH hardware, go right ahead.

  • @bamn interesting. I have not had problems so far. running exit nodes on low end hardware or vps hosts. I only allow 443, 993, 995 and anything over 1024 ports. no ddos complaints or attacks. i set accountingmax to match my monthly transfer limit. works fine.

  • @torfan said: I have not had problems so far. running exit nodes on low end hardware or vps hosts. I only allow 443, 993, 995 and anything over 1024 ports. no ddos complaints or attacks. i set accountingmax to match my monthly transfer limit. works fine.

    http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses/p1

  • @Spencer, I'm fully aware. Thankfully, I do all of this through prepaid cards and protecting my identity. I pay roughly $2000/mo right now to 6 companies. Some I have found through this forum. My payments always clear.

    If I am discovered, I'll fight for tor.

  • the german zwiebelfreunde e.v. is running nodes at limehost.ro

  • Kimsufi from OVH, Webtropia and small atom grade dedicated servers will be great for TOR purpose.

  • @torfan said: torfan 8:54AM Flag

    Member
    @Spencer, I'm fully aware. Thankfully, I do all of this through prepaid cards and protecting my identity. I pay roughly $2000/mo right now to 6 companies. Some I have found through this forum. My payments always clear.

    If I am discovered, I'll fight for tor.

    I really really respect you !!

  • If you want to run Tor exit nodes please please please do it on dedicated servers, not on VPS.

  • pedo detected

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider
    edited December 2012

    @gubbyte said: pedo detected

    I am more and more getting the idea that your participation on this forum could use some reconsideration by the moderation team.

  • lbftlbft Member
    edited December 2012

    @darknessends said: Kimsufi from OVH

    A Tor exit would get your server cancelled pretty quickly at OVH, I'd imagine.

    @gubbyte said: pedo detected

    I try to be nice on this forum, but fuck you and fuck everybody else who automatically accuses anybody who supports Tor of being a pedo or a drug dealer or a criminal.

    Whether or not you like it, if you don't realise that people have strong ideological reasons for supporting Tor then maybe you should spend at least 5 minutes reading about it so you can make a real argument instead of being a twit.

  • @lbft said: I try to be nice on this forum, but fuck you and fuck everybody else who automatically accuses anybody who supports Tor of being a pedo or a drug dealer or a criminal.

    Whether or not you like it, if you don't realise that people have strong ideological reasons for supporting Tor then maybe you should spend at least 5 minutes reading about it so you can make a real argument instead of being a twit.

    Couldn't have said it better.

  • @lbft I did spend 5 minutes reading about it and guess what I still feel the same way!

    Great thing is you don't have to agree with my opinion. The only thing we see is bad. It has already been connected with crime. Doesn't mean it's bad, but I will not support it. That is my feeling based on the things that I find.

    Mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT)-> this right here makes me look at this in use for criminal nature. Why would you need this to not be in that country if your doing nothing wrong?

  • @24khost said: Mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT)-> this right here makes me look at this in use for criminal nature. Why would you need this to not be in that country if your doing nothing wrong?

    My thoughts exactly.

  • gubbytegubbyte Member
    edited December 2012

    @lbft said: I try to be nice on this forum, but fuck you and fuck everybody else who automatically accuses anybody who supports Tor of being a pedo or a drug dealer or a criminal.

    No, I thoroughly read the OP and it's pretty obvious the intended use is illegal.

  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited December 2012

    Tor rights/wrongs aside I agree the op sound a bit suspect, After all your efforts to hide your identity despite doing nothing wrong you say"If I am discovered, I'll fight for tor."

    So you wont fight for Tor unless you get caught? Or you will use Tor as your excuse?

  • lbftlbft Member
    edited December 2012

    @24khost said: @lbft I did spend 5 minutes reading about it and guess what I still feel the same way!

    You didn't just say "derp, pedo!!!11". I think people have a right to disagree, but there's a world of difference between actually disagreeing (and saying why!) and what gubbyte said.

    I like talking with people who disagree with me - it teaches me to argue my point better, and occasionally someone will even convince me that my original viewpoint was wrong.

    @24khost said: Mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT)-> this right here makes me look at this in use for criminal nature. Why would you need this to not be in that country if your doing nothing wrong?

    The reality of Tor (and something that nobody is arguing) is that some people sometimes use it to do illegal things. Some of those things are only illegal locally (like disagreeing with the government in Iran or China). Some are not necessarily illegal everywhere (like violating copyright or trafficking in particular drugs). Some of those are pretty much universally illegal, and rightly so (like trafficking in child abuse material).

    For an exit node operator, plenty of nasty shit will be mixed in amongst the unremarkable majority of the traffic. Considering that William was far from the first Tor exit node operator to get raided (and likely won't be the last), I'd think that anybody committed/loony enough to run an exit would want to shield themselves from prosecution.

    My understanding is that's sometimes done by making a legal structure that discourages the police from raiding your home before they realise it's an exit node, but perhaps the OP wants to do it by discouraging the investigations in the first place. I'll admit that it's a little odd, but the paranoia is not really unwarranted.

    @W1V_Lee said: Or you will use Tor as your excuse?

    If someone wanted to use Tor to hide their dodgy dealings, all they'd have to do would be to download and use it; for that matter, criminals would probably just use a stolen credit card to buy a dedi from whoever does the least verification.

  • I'm not a pedo. I'm not a criminal. I am originally from a communist country dominated by the USSR. When the police and organized gangs can enter your house, question you without reason, and blacklist you because you are not patriotic enough, you learn to protect your identity. You learn to distrust governments. I grew up thinking the USA was my enemy and should be wiped out in a nuclear war. You learn to protect freedom on the Internet. In 1991 I found dial-up Internet in my now suddenly non USSR country. The USA is not my enemy anymore. It is also not your friend. They are a global bully, much like an organized gang. They need to be watched and handled as such.

    In my experience, 99% of my exit relay traffic is normal. 1% of the traffic is malware/ddos/stupid script kiddie attacks. I fight for the 99%. I use Tor heavily myself.

    I understand the VPS concern with exit relays. I pay for dedicated hosting. One reason I have to use pre-paid cards is due to my actual address being in a suspect country. The global financial industry bows to the USA or China. My country is not favored by either and therefore I use prepaid cards to avoid disclosing my country. If I used my real address, I have to prove my identity with my passport and a utility bill. The corrupt local police, corrupt government, and foreign powers now learn who I am and will use this information against me.

    It is clear to me this is the wrong forum to ask for help. I will leave. Thank you and good luck.

  • @torfan said: It is clear to me this is the wrong forum to ask for help.

    Welcome to LET: derailment... derailment... and more derailment.

  • @torfan said: If I used my real address, I have to prove my identity with my passport and a utility bill.

    Swede

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider
    edited December 2012

    @torfan said: I'm not a pedo. I'm not a criminal. I am originally from a communist country dominated by the USSR. When the police and organized gangs can enter your house, question you without reason, and blacklist you because you are not patriotic enough, you learn to protect your identity. You learn to distrust governments. I grew up thinking the USA was my enemy and should be wiped out in a nuclear war. You learn to protect freedom on the Internet. In 1991 I found dial-up Internet in my now suddenly non USSR country. The USA is not my enemy anymore. It is also not your friend. They are a global bully, much like an organized gang. They need to be watched and handled as such.

    In my experience, 99% of my exit relay traffic is normal. 1% of the traffic is malware/ddos/stupid script kiddie attacks. I fight for the 99%. I use Tor heavily myself.

    Finally. Someone with first hand experience commenting on the situation.

    @torfan said: It is clear to me this is the wrong forum to ask for help. I will leave. Thank you and good luck.

    Not at all. There are just certain very vocal individuals in this community that like to throw out accusatory or generalizing statements without backing them up with any kind of reasoning or even sense. You're welcome to stay here as anyone is, and in my experience there are quite a few people in this community that identify with your viewpoint, even if there are a few particular individuals blurting out bullshit.

    Additionally, thread derailment is a common event on LET :) Threads will eventually return to their original topic, though.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @torfan will be difficult to find a decent ISP with tons of bandwidth except maybe in some parts of Asia, but good luck with your search.

    And a few off-topic, but I can give you a few anonymous debit cards + bank accounts for free if you are in need of them to pay for Tor hosting. If you are really spending 2k each month running Tor nodes, you are awesome.

  • Someone really needs to run a well researched how-to for Tor node wanna-be-operators.

    Torfan's lockdown of ports should be mandatory in such and Tor ought to default to that sort of limited exposure.

    As for legalities and sketchy content, whatever, this is the real world. Plenty of things I don't like in the world that most governments don't seem to care at all about. Actually, they tend to be the operators of such crap.

    I'll advise again, people using Tor shouldn't expect anything but hassle. The network is a honeypot. US government and military funded it. It's a big data collection sting tool to isolate high risk individuals. Much has been written about this already. Plenty of rogue end nodes that are doing things you wouldn't want or think they couldn't do.

  • PS: I am a former Tor exit operator and mirror site for Tor.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited December 2012

    @24khost said: Why would you need this to not be in that country if your doing nothing wrong?

    1. Tor exit nodes are not illegal in US and EU. I dont know Iranian or Chinese law, but I suspect they are not illegal there either but they are blocked.
    2. If someone is looking for illegal stuff, such as porn or bomb making plans, they do not need to run any exit node, they can download and use Tor or put up an entry point anywhere, that will not attract any attention (except from hosts which fear ppl will use the allocated BW and are ruling out any kind of Tor) from any state or organization.
    3. The real problem is the pressure that governments are putting on ppl running exit nodes to try to make them drop their support for the project. They are fully aware Tor is legal but they still raid houses and DCs intimidating very effectively the activists. As a proof, their propaganda and raids or other attacks against exit node operators are well spread in media and quoted here as a deterrent.
  • Tor is an advertisement that you have sketchy traffic and/or you are either into the same or an anarchist of digital sorts.

    You need to have thick skin to operate an exit node and realize traffic passing through you that is stomach churning, some totally illegal, etc.

    I support the concept and it's ballsy to say the least. But it's very bad news in many countries over such things.

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