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Not seeing the issue here. You sign up and they ask you for ID, you provide it however within their risk assessment they determine that in order to deal with you they require a $1,000 deposit.
Now neither you or I know that process, it's steep only in the context of the service ordered, probably a flat security fee regardless of the service. however there is nothing illegal about it. You either choose to accept the terms or move on.
Well, when I went and go through access logs and searched for suspicious activity - most IPs were Chinese.
When I was running a board without any verification (some years ago, didn't manage to set it up), viagra advertising and so on everywhere. Most IPs of these users / bots were Chinese.
When I had no captchas for the comment section of my blogs - where did the most spam / "SEO" / advertising "comments" come from? Well.. Yes.
I can also confirm most abuse on my network - Blog and Forum spam especially - originate from Chinese IPs, shortly followed by ColoCrossing, followed by a telco in Brazil, followed by various German ISPs.
From these words all Chinese are abusers.. How about population Chinese and Europeans, guess 1000 Chinese vs 1 European, so at least 1000 times more potential abusers in China than in Europe
Seems with 1K euro deposit they just waive you goodbye
A company I do work for has a large percentage of its clients from China. China is a great income source if you're willing to efficiently process abuse issues. If you're of the "set it and forget it" mentality or don't want to manage your network, well, have fun with your easy customers. More money for us.
That being said, one of the reasons for more abuse is fewer laws in China. Biggest one is that China doesn't have laws against spam. So Chinese users sign up for cheap services without reading the terms of service and use them to spam, not knowing that it's illegal in the jurisdiction of wherever they've signed up.
All the providers above should already have something in place to preclude their services being used to blast spam, so I don't know what the problem is regarding rejecting Chinese users. Just stop them and re-educate them and continue to accept their money, or terminate and move on, citing where in your terms of service it states that services that are used for abuse are not eligible for refund. Either way, more money for you.
Well, there may be other costs as well, that exist, but does that give a company the etics and rights to charge an active and nonabusive client ? Thats not Client's fault, why wasnt he told before ( on the Price Page ) ?
Plz note that this charge is levied on clients who dont have any record/case of abuse.
If you have costs ( its fine .. but ) :
Regards,
Not a charge, a deposit, you make it sound like an extra tax.
@gabriell
map.norsecorp.com Ill just leave this here...
I'd agree that Leaseweb did not deny any service in this case, it is just that they were seeking for an initial deposit and it is up to the user/buyer to decide if they should go ahead.
On another note, Leaseweb could at least provide this information beforehand so that user/buyer would know what to expect before signing up :-)
So US must be asked for at least 500.
Did you meant to type this into another browser tab we need to know about?
LeaseWeb are a serious company - not a trashy lowend company. They probably have one policy for all of their products that their legal and technical people have agreed on. The fact that you're interested simply because that VPS is so cheap is a coincidence.
Again, I do think they sholuld be upfront about this but it's not fair to bash them for not being like providers here because they're completely unlike the companies here and you're free to take your cup-of-coffee money elsewhere.
Take ID on file than refuse asking for EUR1000 deposit.. that worse way. Keep your ass with them and get nothing..
Lets says fishing
Leaseweb is not going to steal your identity.... they have a turnover of hundreds of millions per year and profit of XX millions.... an identity, even a complete set with scan and SSN, is barely worth 50$, even less if non-American (as with American you can scam the IRS, in Europe etc you can't).
Where you find this info? These companies always make big sounds but really not worth everything. Also their locations are useless, every 2-nd provide the same
Leaseweb is a (non traded) stock company and releases an investors report all few months (usually every quarter yr), same as many german hosts (Hetzner, Plusserver) and OVH plus a yearly report.
Can send you them, but i rather ask my source first if i can (as it contains his data as well).
Large companies who has a millions profit per year never get down by jerk single person asking for identify
They have some information in their site, e.g. the equity as of 2014 was 50 million euros.
They can wrote everything for advertising purposes, where are proof?
At least if they take a ID than refuse provide product, hosting, etc it can be called fishing or simply kidding, isn't?
Their locations aren't useless, their Virginia datacenter is great.
No.
Check Dutch property register (public)? Their NL DCs land alone is worth easily a million euro alone and they are the only owner for it (if bought by credit the bank would be either listed as sole or as second owner).
Check Dutch debt register (semi public)? Zero listed for Ocom, Leaseweb and Fiberring (which are, essentially, independent companies under an umbrella company).
Check Dutch employment register (not public, only in person)? GIves you an overview of their monthly spending on employees.
They are also now in business for 10y+, own a lot of fiber in Europe (up to Vienna) and have never failed to pay their suppliers - They also, according to their own investors report, have zero debt since a few years already. Lying in an investors report is likely (it is in AT/DE) a crime.
For one, they are audited.
Now, if you think there is a massive conspiracy involving Dutch authorities, an auditing firm, and LeaseWeb to scam a handful of Chinese people out of 1,000 EUR - I don't think we can help you. You need another type of assistance in that case.
No.
For a 1000 bucks, I'd rather get a dedicated server. Better yet, purchase a server and colocate.
They just required a security deposit. You know like the $300 plus ones you see on here for email marketers.
Leaseweb is a legitimate company, they have been in business for eons. I've personally seen their offices when I was studying in NL. I do not admire their Asia Pacific policy but that doesn't make them a fraud. Still, I'm sure there could be better options than demanding 1k euros. Similarly, BlackBerry had a policy of not allowing BlackBerry world (much like Google play store) in most countries of the world, thereby excluding most developing countries. By the time BlackBerry started to decline & Android/iPhone were on the rise, blackberry had to open its bb world to the rest of the world in a dire attempt to resuscitate itself.
This policy of exclusion despite all logic plays badly in the end. Leaseweb can implement strict checks, impose penalties, block ports and do much simpler things instead of demanding horrendous sums of money as guarantees.
Not told about they not legit. Only about their verification methods
Interesting, tried OVH and online.net several times and never asked for ID as many other users reports
Let me see if I can explain this a bit better for you and others. Believe it or not, I could care less really, I have been in a similar situation before. Usually mine stems over the fact people have a tendency to think I am some kind of racist or some crap because I am Christian. I try to tell them I am not racist, and that I hate everyone equally but they don't listen.
Anyways you have been stereotyped because of what some of your fellow countrymen have done, or are doing. I get it also because some Christians are asses about things. Everyone thinks I am going to preach at them when I could really care less what they do or say. I have no right to judge, or belittle them at all.
People spend to much time on this instead of moving on and doing bigger and better things. We can not change everyone and everything. Sometimes we have to except that and go on.
Leaseweb has several LLC's (BV in dutch), they are required to publish yearly financial statements at kvk.nl you can request them for a small fee.