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Expired Domains with real PageRank are they still good?

HTMLHTML Member

I remember in past it was a good SEO tactic to grab some expired domain with real PR (not fake) and build a site on it or 301 it to your existing domain and pass the pr/domain authority juice.

Do you think it still works? any recent experience?

It's alot easy to grab expired domains these days with real PR3-PR6 (still indexed by google and not banned) but i am not sure if this trick still works like past or google already killed this trick.

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    I guess see for yourself? I bet no one working for Google will share their newest algorithms :)?

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @Clouvider said:
    I guess see for yourself? I bet no one working for Google will share their newest algorithms :)?

    Just asking maybe someone here have tried this recently? so would like to hear about his/her experience

  • GM2015GM2015 Member

    Public pagerank (google toolbar) hasn't been updated since December 2013. What pageranks you see today are from that date. Google won't publicly update it anymore, so it's mostly useless. New domains after that date don't get pagerank updates. I'm might be wrong, though.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @GM2015 said:
    Public pagerank (google toolbar) hasn't been updated since December 2013. What pageranks you see today are from that date. Google won't publicly update it anymore, so it's mostly useless. New domains after that date don't get pagerank updates. I'm might be wrong, though.

    So that means PR is no more a major factor in SEO just like Link Building doesn't work anymore.

  • I believe @GM2015 is correct.
    These days it's page authority and domain authority. PageRank isn't what it used to be.

  • GM2015GM2015 Member
    edited July 2015

    @HTML said:
    So that means PR is no more a major factor in SEO just like Link Building doesn't work anymore.

    No, links are still important, but google uses a lot of factors to determine your site's rankings.

    Link power from authority domains, meaning domains which are aged and have a good backlink profile. They sites usually have a good following and large readership, and mostly lots of content. Nowadays, fluff "viral" sites like viralnova, which recently sold for 100 million I believe, are considered "authority" domains.

    Link relevancy from relevant domains, meaning you get links from sites within your niche, from your competitors. Relevant domains are usually the hundred top 100 results for your keywords. Or sites that appear for related:mydomain.com search.
    Example: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=related:https://twitter.com/ .

    Contextual links are the most powerful kind of links. These links are from contextual text. Eg. Links from articles that talk about a topic, such as servers, news, forum software, whatever.
    These links are more powerful when your targeted keyword appears in the contextual sense. If you want to rank for best virtual servers in nowheretown, then you'd want an article with that anchor term in a sentence, preferably close to start of the article.

    Image and video links are also powerful. That's why some popular image hosting sites are very powerful, such as imgur. They get shitloads of links from image embedding and hotlinking. Youtube is another example, but it hosts videos instead.

    Then if you look at statcounter, their default javascript output includes keyword rich text. Go sign up for an account and see for yourself.
    semrush estimate: http://www.semrush.com/info/statcounter.com+(by+organic)
    ahrefs: https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/overview/subdomains?target=statcounter.com

    I believe godaddy even had some link building scheme where their ssl certificates included keyword rich links which google bitches about all the time, yet being a big brand they got away with it.

    A brand that got smacked for blog networks were expedia, another was wordpress for footer links. There was that rapperwhatever site which was hit as well, yet got restored.

    Just don't fall for google propaganda. Take whatever they say with a grain of salt.
    What you should concentrate on is building links for referrer traffic, social links for fan and following building, because these buy and freely advertise for you.

    Google is out for its own interests, like all of us should be. But whenever you hear someone talking about this and that hat seo, you have to stay away, because they are trolls and have got something to sell you.

    @HostMyBytes said:
    I believe GM2015 is correct.
    These days it's page authority and domain authority. PageRank isn't what it used to be.

    Those are moz metrics. Moz has a very small percentage of links crawled and it's largely behind google bot. Best link checkers are ahrefs and majesticseo.

    Page authority and domain authority can be boosted by pure spam. But they overall provide a somewhat reliable estimate of a site's "authority". But beware that it's easy to hide your links from backlink crawlers mentioned above by blocking them at htaccess or server level.

    I've seen site's ranking for spammy keywords with low moz metrics. Good keywords to watch the SERPs for are buy viagra variants, online casino variants and life insurance. Garcinia Cambogia was the rage in 2014 and 15 somewhat. Replica gucci is also spammy.

    Wanted to add that page speed and usability of your site is also important. If googlebot can't understand what your site is about then you'll have a hard time. Google can understand schema markup to better understand your site.
    https://schema.org/

    I want to try the above link one day on my wp sites.

  • @HTML said:
    So that means PR is no more a major factor in SEO just like Link Building doesn't work anymore.

    I don't think it's that simple. Pages are still ranked -- Google just doesn't have public values associated with rankings. Links to pages are still a ranking factor, as are many many other signals.

    Bottom line: Make good, useful content that people will share and you'll generally be OK. Game the system and be prepared for the next algorithm update that kills your traffic or gets you blacklisted.

    Caveat: Even good sites that don't do any shady SEO can become collateral damage from a Google update. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done about it. Google still makes a gazillion dollars even when punishing the innocent.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @bitseeker said:
    Caveat: Even good sites that don't do any shady SEO can become collateral damage from a Google update. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done about it. Google still makes a gazillion dollars even when punishing the innocent.

    I agree with with you on collateral damage part one of my site had almost no SEO no keyword stuffing no optimization etc etc and still it was ranked really good because it was an old site but still it got penalized by google and on the other hand i had another site with all the black hat seo tricks including keyword stuffing, link exchange, over optimization etc etc and still it is ranked high and never got penalized in any google update and its still is there from years (although not as old as the one i mentioned above which got penalized without any reason)

    Google can be cruel at time the site with no seo tricks gets penalized and the one with all type black hat seo are sometime still ranked high without any decrease in updates.

    I heard that negative seo does exist (although google deny it) so maybe this negative seo effected my good site? Negative SEO is when a competitor submit your links on thousands of to all type penalized cheap and blacklisted sites directories etc.

    I was wondering myself we hear that google penalize sites for link building tricks so if you put thousands of your links on some cheap sites you will be penalized but what if someone else do it to target you? How can google detect it that it was done by you or someone else and if it's not done by you how can google penalize your site for something illegal that is not done by you?

    Google introduced Dissavow Link Tool to to counter unnatural attacks through Webmaster Tools but the question is if negative seo wasn't something to worry about why google introduced this tool?

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @GM2015 said:

    Agree with almost everything that you mentioned and if you read my post above i explain how google can be cruel so most of the time it's just propaganda nothing else.

  • yes they still work, extremely well.

  • Google still uses PageRank, they just don't update the public API anymore - and won't. You can use other tools like Majestic, Ahrefs & Moz (OSE) to gauge the value of a domain and the link value it has accrued - you can also spot potential penalties based on the types of links, anchor text, etc. PageRank numbers are useless right now.

    What you're describing is either a PBN or link laundering, depending on the method. Link laundering = 301'ing the whole domain, passes some value but not my preferred method. I'd go the PBN route and build a simple site on each domain, add some unique content and link out to the site you want to build up. Host these with different providers, different IPs, etc and try not to create an easily recognizable footprint. ie. don't buy 10 domains, all hosted at GoDaddy with whois privacy, split across 3 different IPs, all linking to Site A, B and C that are all hosted on the same GoDaddy account with whois privacy, etc. etc.

    Mix it up, make it look 'natural'

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @mikeyur said:
    Google still uses PageRank, they just don't update the public API anymore - and won't. You can use other tools like Majestic, Ahrefs & Moz (OSE) to gauge the value of a domain and the link value it has accrued - you can also spot potential penalties based on the types of links, anchor text, etc. PageRank numbers are useless right now.

    What you're describing is either a PBN or link laundering, depending on the method. Link laundering = 301'ing the whole domain, passes some value but not my preferred method. I'd go the PBN route and build a simple site on each domain, add some unique content and link out to the site you want to build up. Host these with different providers, different IPs, etc and try not to create an easily recognizable footprint. ie. don't buy 10 domains, all hosted at GoDaddy with whois privacy, split across 3 different IPs, all linking to Site A, B and C that are all hosted on the same GoDaddy account with whois privacy, etc. etc.

    Mix it up, make it look 'natural'

    What if we use Cloudflare that will hide the real IP and assign the CF ip to the domains. You are talking about 3 way link right? Site A linking to site C and C link to B instead of A

  • @HTML said:
    What if we use Cloudflare that will hide the real IP and assign the CF ip to the domains. You are talking about 3 way link right? Site A linking to site C and C link to B instead of A

    That's one way to mix things up. But what I'm talking about is.. don't create a footprint. Don't put up 10 sites, behind cloudflare, and then over a week/month/couple months have all those sites link out to the same 3 sites.

    I wasn't talking about 2/3 way linking, just saying that don't make them look so cookie cutter always linking to the same thing. Don't link up your PBN sites either, make them their own unique entity with minimal similarities to your others.

  • HTMLHTML Member
    edited July 2015

    @mikeyur said:
    I wasn't talking about 2/3 way linking, just saying that don't make them look so cookie cutter always linking to the same thing. Don't link up your PBN sites either, make them their own unique entity with minimal similarities to your others.

    So the key to success is not leaving a footprint behind.

  • GM2015GM2015 Member

    @HTML said:
    So they key to success is not leaving a footprint behind.

    Unless you are a big brand and/or spend big time on adwords and/or google has an interest/stake in your business.

    Google ventures has a stake in retailmenot and if you look up a couple of coupons, you'll find retailmenot in top spots. Yes, great site, but ..

  • @HTML said:
    So they key to success is not leaving a footprint behind.

    Correct. Make them look like random blogs/sites made by different people that randomly link to you. They don't cross-link to each other or all link out to the same things. We have topic-based PBNs similar to how most blogs are, so a tech-focused site links out differently and to different things than a health-focused site. Different writers created the content for each, not using the same thing, not hosted in the same place, not registered at the same domain registrar, etc.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @GM2015 said:

    Indeed i have seen some sites using adsense with the content that google adsense doesn't allow but they are able to use it just because they are big brand and they are using it from years without any issue but if you are a small site with same content your adsense will be suspended the next month. Another thing that i noticed is that Google Adsense have different policy for asian/african or 3rd world countries and they suspend accounts from those countries instantly and it's really hard to get approve.

    So Google basically have a dual face all depends on his own interests.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @mikeyur said:

    Thanks for sharing your experience will try to learn from it!

  • HTML said: asian/african or 3rd world countries and they suspend accounts from those countries instantly and it's really hard to get approve.

    Agreed. I'm from Sri Lanka and I can confirm that Google adsense is really racist ;)

  • HTMLHTML Member
    edited July 2015

    @sdglhm said:
    Agreed. I'm from Sri Lanka and I can confirm that Google adsense is really racist ;)

    Let me share a little secret with you i am from asia as well i applied for adsense account through one of my site using my asian address and google rejected it saying not enough content and than a week later without adding anything new i signed up for adsense account using same site but this time with my brother address (he lives in England) and my account was approved within 24 hours!

    There is no doubt Google is racist. There is a 90% chance Google will reject your site as soon as they see your address is from India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan or other 3rd world countries. Many of my friends used this address trick to get their adsense accounts approved and it worked but before this trick they were rejected giving the reason not enough content.

    Why don't google just tell the users you are from xyz country so we don't allow you why they have to hide behind excuses like "not enough content" lol same site with not enough content get approved if you use a European address.

  • TrafficTraffic Member
    edited July 2015

    HTML said: India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan or other 3rd world countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud is a worldwide problem, but happens more often in some countries.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @Traffic said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud is a worldwide problem, but happens more often in some countries.

    But that doesn't mean to ignore all sites right? How can sites that were rejected by google with reason "not enough content" got approved just by changing address from asian country to european?

  • Traffic said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud is a worldwide problem, but happens more often in some countries.

    Yes. Even some folks here do it. But most of the legitimate users are now encouraging law enforcement to introduce new internet related rules. Let's see where it will go.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    LET domain authority is really cool i started this thread just a couple of hours ago and LET is now ranked on first page of google if you search for "expired domains with real page rank" you will see this page.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=expired+domains+with+real+page+rank

  • TrafficTraffic Member
    edited July 2015

    HTML said: But that doesn't mean to ignore all sites right? How can sites that were rejected by google with reason "not enough content" got approved just by changing address from asian country to european?

    That's true. It's understandable to have a closer look at applications by people located on "high risk countries", however they should still have a look at those sites - they could be missing great publishers.

    I guess they use that excuse to avoid looking racists. It looks much better justifying it that way.

  • HTMLHTML Member

    @Traffic said:
    I guess they use that excuse to avoid looking racists. It looks much better justifying it that way.

    +1

    Thanked by 1Traffic
  • Is PageRank relevant to non-commercial users? If so, how?

  • ricardoricardo Member
    edited July 2015

    It used to be, before it was commercialised (from the info garnered through the toolbar). It's a way of scoring citations http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html ...

    Google has done well since the release of that paper, so in a roundabout way yes, very useful- since it was / still kind of is at the core of Google's ranking algo.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    I hope it doesn't, I get sick of SEO crap like this. Stop polluting the goddamn web with your ad farms.

    If your content is useful enough to people, you don't need SEO.

  • Thanks for that link @ricardo I'll study that. The reason I ask about non-commercial use is that I am often searching for information, and commercial interests tend to obfuscate that. So, PageRanking as it appears to be practised could be construed as being counter productive. There also seems to be a geographical component to search results, which is pretty bizarre from an information point of view. That could perhaps also pose a problem for the usefulness of a recycled domain as referenced by the OP.

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