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Windows 10 would be the "last version" however will keep generating updates and new features!

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    In this chart "Commercial Licensing" is probably mostly windows server and related stuff.

  • ShivamShivam Member

    @Nekki said:
    :I Alright boss. Changed...

  • edited May 2015

    @rds100 said:
    In this chart "Commercial Licensing" is probably mostly windows server and related stuff.

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    Commercial Licensing, which makes up nearly half of Microsoft's revenue, covers Windows Server products, Volume Licensing editions of Windows, and Office for business.

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    rds100 said: If they make it subscribtion based for something like $5 or $10/year this will probably put an end to the piracy. But i think they are much more greedy than this.

    I believe it was already stated that Microsoft will not be using a subscription model, but will rather be selling "lifetime licenses for a device" - ie. purchasing a new device translates into purchasing a new license.

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  • I don't believe that Microsoft would just throw in the towel that easily.

  • DennisDDennisD Member
    edited May 2015

    @Janevski said:
    I don't believe that Microsoft would just throw in the towel that easily.

    And this is why the openings post should contain a link to a proper article. Microsoft is not discontinuing Window, they are just moving to more frequent smaller updates rather than big yearly updates. Except for the amount of updates per year, not much will change. Except for the pricing plan maybe. In short: they are not throwing the towel.

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  • I'd like to see how paying month by month is going to work exactly. If you don't pay for next month, do you just not get any updates or are you locked out of your own computer? What about the people that don't have internet access? Will they not be able to use Windows 10? Also, I wonder how these major version releases are going to work. Will you have to pay more to upgrade to a major version or will it be included with the monthly subscription?

  • lazytlazyt Member

    Would it be like some of thenew games? If you can't connect you're screwed.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    rds100 said: In this chart "Commercial Licensing" is probably mostly windows server and related stuff.

    Naw I think it's everything they sell. There are enterprises with tens of thousands of Windows desktop licenses. "Commercial Other" is probably Azure, education/training/certification programs, etc.

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    rds100 said: Governments in EU are already moving to open source solutions only. Some companies too.

    Linux editions are evolving rapidly to be a free alternative solution for anyone. A few years ago, consumers was familiar only with windows. Now, they are get in touch with a lot of other operating systems (android, iOs in phones, tablets and netbooks, too). So, more and more will not afraid to use something that is not MS WIndowsin their daily use.
    Gonverments and big companies that their employes use computers for handling documents / spreedsheets / databases / mailing / marketing / surfing / serving, can easily change to a Linux version combined with an open source free Office suite.
    Schools can benefit from Linux, kids can easily learn computer basics (Internet / Office / basic hardware) using a Linux version.
    Eventually, netbook and pc ventors will turn to free OS's to reduce the cost of their selling machine. Why paying $$$ to MS, when they can load a lighter OS like Mint, Anti-X or similar, with desktop that will not make the noobie user to fear about? A reduce of 30-40$ per machine for abandoning OEM versions of Windows, would be a profit margin.
    The last one is the key: with the market turning to cheaper and cheaper solutions for the majority of the world (EU and USA is now full of cheap chinese tablets and android sticks for daily internet usage), MS will see their Windows product to become a specialized OS for specific professional needs.
    So, they need to change quickly their bussiness and marketing model or they will die. A good solution would be windows to become free in their basic version to hold the majority of the market/usage share, and then, charge for services, special needs, compatible products etc.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    jvnadr said: Gonverments and big companies that their employes use computers for handling documents / spreedsheets / databases / mailing / marketing / surfing / serving, can easily change to a Linux version combined with an open source free Office suite.

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

    No.

    You have no idea the amount of custom stuff built on top of Sharepoint, inside office docs with macros, etc. Big organizations have tons of this stuff. They'll be the last to leave Windows/Office, if ever. And in many cases, if they're getting Office 365 (for email, sharepoint, etc) they're getting Office as part of that, typically for both office and home.

    There have been a few showcase organizations/governments (abetted by a fleet of consultants) but your typically 10,000 user organization is not going to move from Office to OpenOffice because the cost to transition is huge and there is very little benefit. The cost of paying for Windows/Office is small compared to the cost of the overall maintenance with staff, management servers, etc.

    Likewise, the ability to manage thousands of PCs (what software is on them, apply group policies, integrate with vendor's hardware management, apply/manage crypto, etc.) is more robust on the Windows side than via Linux. True, you can write stuff that allows you to do whatever you want on Linux, but that's usually home grown stuff, not out of the box as it is with the jillion of enterprise management applications and packages on the market (or from Microsoft itself).

    jvnadr said: Eventually, netbook and pc ventors will turn to free OS's to reduce the cost of their selling machine. Why paying $$$ to MS, when they can load a lighter OS like Mint, Anti-X or similar, with desktop that will not make the noobie user to fear about? A reduce of 30-40$ per machine for abandoning OEM versions of Windows, would be a profit margin.

    And yet the only people making substantial money in PCs are those selling the high end: Apple. If in your scenario the $30-40 OEM cost for Windows were taken out, the price of PCs would drop by $30-40...it wouldn't be a case where the manufacturers were making $30-40 more.

  • 4n0nx4n0nx Member

    Linux is such a relief for me. It just works, all offline. Free,too. I can even seed it for as long as I want. And no cloud bullshit or permanent pings happen.

    Now if only Wine worked with DX10 and DX11...

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member
    edited May 2015

    @raindog308 Before laughing and make fun with my words, do a little research...

    A company's infrastructure will not last forever. Think an '80s company that used to use thousand of olivetti computers for logistics or financial software, in DOS. Do they use it now? No. They moved in nineties to another platform. A market chain that used WIndows 2000 in their cashiers (a chain with over several hundereds stores) changed those machines, thousand of them, to something more moderd under a whole new inrfastructure, just a decade after the initial bought.
    How many "typical" 10,000 organizations are there in the world? Is it enough to keep Windows infrastructure as the bigest player in the operating systems for the next 100 years?
    French National Police switched 37,000, sorry, mistake, the number is 90,000 (!) the 6 years that the program of transition lasted desktop PCs to Linux in late '13. Is this a small organization for you? Or didn't they have "macros" and custom things? All those desktop pc's are connected via the french police network with special software there for all the dutys the Police has (from communication and ecxhanging official documents, to connecting to their crime/person database!). Wasn't the transition hudge?

    Who would believe in the mid '00 that android, that started as a linux clone just 8 years ago (!) has now 81.5% of the market share of smart phones (that have become something more than a phone, it is now our every day small pc in hand for browsing, social networks, watch streaming, emailing)? Google claims that Android took 62% share of tablet market in 2013 (even if Apple says that the share is smaller).
    According to Gartner Inc., the worldwide device shipments (referring to wholesale) by operating system, which includes smartphones, tablets, laptops and PCs together was this in 2014: Android 48.61%, iOS/OS X, 11.04%, Windows 14.0%, others 26.34%. Who would beleive it in 2004? No one.

    Tablet share is growing year to year. Apple and Android are fighting for the first position as of now, for both tablet and smartphone market. Desktop and notebook sales are getting lower and lower. WIndows are the King because since early '90s all the technology evolution was based in this platform. It was not the best product (Macintosh was way better the first decades, but they shrank because of the foolish bussiness practices of Apple). If day by day, less people use windows for they daily staff, then, this OS will survive mostly in some big organizations that cannot afford the cost of transition to something cheaper. Evnetually, they will.

    If Microsoft continues to play out there like in the 90's, when they were the only major player in the market, their big heads will see the most popular OS today to become small...

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    raindog308 said: And yet the only people making substantial money in PCs are those selling the high end: Apple. If in your scenario the $30-40 OEM cost for Windows were taken out, the price of PCs would drop by $30-40...it wouldn't be a case where the manufacturers were making $30-40 more.

    It's not the pcs any more. The share of home computing and a part of bussiness usage, is now a handheld device thing... Even laptops losing share day by day. Smart phones, tablets, televisions are having the use that some years ago had the desktop pc.

    The next big thing for big companies is SaaS. Just a computer/tablet/netbook/anything with any operating system on it that can handle a cross platform and the job will be done thru on line software that can run in any OS. Office platforms can now run (the same platform) on line thru browsers or clients to a pc with windows the same time that can run to a tablet with android.

    Remebrer the battle of the VHS and Beta in early '80s. Now, even dvd and blue rays are getting to get history, because of the on line services. It al has to do with evolution and changing of the bussiness model to fit to a new era. Do MS does it? Hardly...

  • jvnadrjvnadr Member

    @raindog308 But I really like your avatar!!!

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  • PwnerPwner Member

    Microsoft will lose so many users over a subscription-based OS. Linux at the low, low price of free has never looked more appealing.

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  • Here's hoping their rolling updates fix their current update model, as it literally drives me crazy! Especially when setting up a new install.

    1. We've installed an update, please restart.

    2. Heh, jokes on you. Now we'll install an update before you can shutdown or restart.

    3. Want to start Windows? Try again after we install this update.

    4. What's that, you want to use your computer now? Denied! Go back to step #1.


  • @Pwner said:
    Microsoft will lose so many users over a subscription-based OS. Linux at the low, low price of free has never looked more appealing.

    They earn most from Business users, however they will lose their market share if they move to subscription based OS.

    Pirates will use Windows XP, 7 and 8 but not Windows 10.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    telephone said: Here's hoping their rolling updates fix their current update model,

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  • ATHKATHK Member

    @William said:
    link? RAM performance doubles as well. SSDs are even higher in performance increase per year.

    SSDs are up to 6TB now apparently

    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/05/this-is-the-worlds-first-6tb-25-inch-ssd/

  • Did anyone see this the other day?

    If a device is upgraded within the first 12 months after the Windows 10 launch, it will continue to receive Windows 10 updates for free throughout its life. However, this excludes Windows Enterprise and RT devices. You’ll be able to get your free Windows 10 upgrade through Windows Update.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-lays-out-all-of-the-upgrade-paths-for-windows-10/

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