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Not that I'm aware of.
My guess is no, but who knows? It'd be interesting to know.
I find routing to Asia from the UK goes through the US.
mostly it is.
Usually no, most traffic from Europe to China goes through USA. Although some peering might exist, for instance from Deutche Telecom.
Ask @William , he should know better about the connectivity in Asia
Yes, China Telecom has 10x10G to Frankfurt, DE and 10x10G to London, UK.
(The cable is owned by China Telecom as well, and runs landline with 2 paths through the EU and Russia)
root@nocDE:~# traceroute en.chinatelecom.com.cn
traceroute to en.chinatelecom.com.cn (211.100.35.132), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 gw.de.ffm.edis.at (149.154.159.1) 0.433 ms 0.375 ms 0.415 ms
2 tnggbt.heisenberg.router.frankfurt.de.velia.net (85.195.113.4) 10.048 ms 10.086 ms 10.163 ms
3 ancotel.GM-FF-FRK-F-2.163.chinatelecomeurope.com (80.81.195.33) 1.178 ms 1.697 ms 313.666 ms
4 202.97.52.113 (202.97.52.113) 6.208 ms 6.187 ms 6.193 ms
5 202.97.52.61 (202.97.52.61) 239.099 ms 239.113 ms *
6 202.97.53.205 (202.97.53.205) 213.389 ms 213.597 ms 213.556 ms
7 202.97.53.85 (202.97.53.85) 266.768 ms 266.673 ms 266.667 ms
8 220.181.0.38 (220.181.0.38) 267.730 ms 266.257 ms 267.686 ms
9 220.181.16.38 (220.181.16.38) 265.788 ms 265.505 ms 266.344 ms
10 211.100.2.205 (211.100.2.205) 277.582 ms 268.015 ms 271.884 ms
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
Thanks @William and others
I consider to buy a VPS in the DE, but don't know the speed case from here.:p
I tried connecting from shanghai to de while I was there and the speed is shit (0.4 mbps max). China is not utilizing that 10x10G connection.
The ISPs themselves probably don't not, but they use the services of international IP carriers (their upstreams), and those do. And thanks to those who put good informative rDNS on their IPs we know the routes that exist. Here's an example trace from Italy to Hong Kong:
I'm in China Mobile, this is my trace to DE:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert web.de
Tracing route to web.de [217.72.200.132]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 3719 ms 2065 ms 1070 ms 120.196.113.1
3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 120.196.10.49
4 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 120.196.0.33
5 40 ms 11 ms 8 ms 221.176.19.85
6 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 221.176.24.10
7 12 ms 10 ms 9 ms 221.176.24.154
8 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 221.176.23.94
9 13 ms 17 ms 17 ms 63-218-211-33.static.pccwglobal.net [63.218.211.
33]
10 338 ms 337 ms 337 ms linx.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.224.9
8]
11 348 ms 348 ms 336 ms linx.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.224.9
8]
12 348 ms 349 ms 348 ms 212.227.122.7
13 351 ms 349 ms 349 ms ae-4.gw-diste.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net [212.227.1
21.194]
14 349 ms 347 ms 346 ms web.de [217.72.200.132]
Trace complete.
With this carrier there is no way to tell from the trace which route it took, it's hidden. Judging from the ping it could be via the US.
My traffic goes via Newyork Level 3 Then to San Jose
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1 <1 ms <1 ms 13 ms 192.168.1.1
2 5 ms 12 ms 4 ms host-78-148-128-1.as13285.net [78.148.128.1]
3 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms host-78-151-225-113.static.as13285.net [78.151.2
25.113]
4 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms host-78-151-225-14.static.as13285.net [78.151.22
5.14]
5 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms xe-11-1-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.14]
6 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms host-78-144-1-65.as13285.net [78.144.1.65]
7 14 ms 20 ms 15 ms ae52.edge5.London1.Level3.net [212.187.138.77]
8 14 ms 14 ms 24 ms ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
9 14 ms 16 ms 14 ms ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]
10 90 ms 88 ms 88 ms ae-42-42.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.70]
11 89 ms 90 ms 99 ms ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.66]
12 87 ms 87 ms 87 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.148.33]
13 156 ms 155 ms 157 ms 4.69.135.185
14 156 ms 163 ms 156 ms ae-91-91.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.153.14]
15 155 ms 155 ms 155 ms ae-4-90.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.69.152.208]
16 263 ms 254 ms 287 ms CHINA-TELEC.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.71.114.
102]
17 254 ms 254 ms 254 ms 202.97.90.29
18 440 ms 440 ms 440 ms 202.97.51.65
19 438 ms 438 ms 438 ms 202.97.53.249
20 438 ms 438 ms 442 ms 202.97.53.105
21 457 ms 459 ms 455 ms 220.181.0.38
22 435 ms 433 ms 442 ms 220.181.16.38
23 463 ms 467 ms 474 ms 211.100.2.205
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
@rm_ yes thanks for pointing that out.
doesn't matter if there is a direct connection... china routing is dumb as shit.
No, the problem is not the connection from/to China (The CT link to Velia runs at more than a few Gbit all day long) the problem is that the capacity (not even the routers, the optics) between the CT/CNC distribution cities (Shanghai/Beijing/Shenzhen/Ürümqi) are overloaded to the f*uck.
That 10x10G connection is probably nothing for the 1 billion users in China What do you expect... the internet is slow everywhere in China.
@rds100 you are really right.
NTT just started leasing fiber on a HK to London land route that crosses Siberia. If your provider uses NTT, you should start to see those routes pretty soon. It's 50 - 100 MS faster than going across the US or underseas routes through the Mediterranean.
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2012/08/ntt-lowers-its-hkeurope-latency-via-tea-2/
There is some connectivity between Europe and China but it sucks. It is just sometimes better to go through LA for connectivity.
Here is a nice map of various cables (mainly owned by Rostelecom and partners) which route to China etc. over Russia and Europe:
http://fr.edis.at:8080/william/Rostelecom_Irina.pdf
A lot of the traffic is DDoS, p2p, probing, malware, etc.
That strangles VPN and normal browsing, probably also GFW is introducing some delays.
I am sure that connectivity will improve soon.
M
The problem is I won't be surprised if CT/CU are doing the same thing in EU as in Asia/US, selling their direct routes (with SLA) for skyhigh prices. So unless your EU provider is going to pay CT/CU (or if their upstream does), the route is going to be best-effort, aka cheapest path possible regardless of saturation.