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Do China and europe have the direct connection?

DNSbedDNSbed Barred
edited August 2012 in General

For example, the ISP in Germany and the UK, do they have direct connection to China's ISP? thank you.

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  • HalfEatenPieHalfEatenPie Veteran

    Not that I'm aware of.

    My guess is no, but who knows? It'd be interesting to know.

  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member

    I find routing to Asia from the UK goes through the US.

  • DNSbedDNSbed Barred

    mostly it is.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    Usually no, most traffic from Europe to China goes through USA. Although some peering might exist, for instance from Deutche Telecom.
    Ask @William , he should know better about the connectivity in Asia :)

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited August 2012

    Yes, China Telecom has 10x10G to Frankfurt, DE and 10x10G to London, UK.

    (The cable is owned by China Telecom as well, and runs landline with 2 paths through the EU and Russia)

    root@nocDE:~# traceroute en.chinatelecom.com.cn
    traceroute to en.chinatelecom.com.cn (211.100.35.132), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 gw.de.ffm.edis.at (149.154.159.1) 0.433 ms 0.375 ms 0.415 ms
    2 tnggbt.heisenberg.router.frankfurt.de.velia.net (85.195.113.4) 10.048 ms 10.086 ms 10.163 ms
    3 ancotel.GM-FF-FRK-F-2.163.chinatelecomeurope.com (80.81.195.33) 1.178 ms 1.697 ms 313.666 ms
    4 202.97.52.113 (202.97.52.113) 6.208 ms 6.187 ms 6.193 ms
    5 202.97.52.61 (202.97.52.61) 239.099 ms 239.113 ms *
    6 202.97.53.205 (202.97.53.205) 213.389 ms 213.597 ms 213.556 ms
    7 202.97.53.85 (202.97.53.85) 266.768 ms 266.673 ms 266.667 ms
    8 220.181.0.38 (220.181.0.38) 267.730 ms 266.257 ms 267.686 ms
    9 220.181.16.38 (220.181.16.38) 265.788 ms 265.505 ms 266.344 ms
    10 211.100.2.205 (211.100.2.205) 277.582 ms 268.015 ms 271.884 ms
    11 * * *
    12 * * *
    13 * * *
    14 * * *
    15 * * *

  • DNSbedDNSbed Barred

    Thanks @William and others
    I consider to buy a VPS in the DE, but don't know the speed case from here.:p

  • cosmicgatecosmicgate Member

    I tried connecting from shanghai to de while I was there and the speed is shit (0.4 mbps max). China is not utilizing that 10x10G connection.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    @DNSbed said: For example, the ISP in Germany and the UK, do they have direct connection to China's ISP?

    The ISPs themselves probably don't not, but they use the services of international IP carriers (their upstreams), and those do. And thanks to those who put good informative rDNS on their IPs we know the routes that exist. Here's an example trace from Italy to Hong Kong:

     Host                                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 2a00:dcc0:eda:3749::1                             0.0%     6    0.7   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
 2. 2001:b60:0:c100::1                                0.0%     5    1.0   1.1   0.9   1.6   0.3
 3. 2001:b60:0:f009::4                                0.0%     5    8.9   2.7   0.9   8.9   3.5
 4. xe-10-0-0-300.bar2.Milan1.Level3.net              0.0%     5   16.2   4.0   0.7  16.2   6.8
 5. vl-4041.edge3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net               0.0%     5    9.3   9.5   9.3   9.7   0.2
 6. vl-4080.edge4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net               0.0%     5    9.4   9.6   9.4   9.9   0.2
 7. 2001:1900:5:3::13a                                0.0%     5   10.4  10.9  10.4  12.0   0.6
 8. if-ae4.2.tcore1.PVU-Paris.ipv6.as6453.net         0.0%     5   17.0  16.9  16.6  17.3   0.2
 9. if-ae2.2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.ipv6.as6453.net         0.0%     5   19.0  28.7  18.8  47.5  13.7
10. if-ae8.1600.tcore1.WYN-Marseille.ipv6.as6453.net  0.0%     5   30.6  30.4  29.2  33.4   1.8
11. if-ae9.5.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.ipv6.as6453.net        0.0%     5  124.3 124.2 124.1 124.4   0.1
12. if-ae2.2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.ipv6.as6453.net        0.0%     5  122.1 122.7 122.1 125.3   1.4
13. 2405:2000:ff10:100::9                             0.0%     5  152.2 159.3 151.9 175.6  10.7
14. 2405:2000:ffa0:200::39                            0.0%     5  277.0 277.1 277.0 277.1   0.1
15. 2405:2000:ffa0:200::3e                            0.0%     5  289.2 289.4 289.2 290.1   0.4
16. 2001:5a0:e00:300::3a                              0.0%     5  284.6 284.2 283.4 286.0   1.1
17. 2402:1f00:2000::5                                 0.0%     5  288.1 288.6 287.2 292.9   2.4
18. 2402:1f00:2001:100::1210                          0.0%     5  273.8 273.6 273.0 274.3   0.5
19. 2402:1f00:2001:100::9391                          0.0%     5  272.8 273.3 272.8 274.2   0.6
  • DNSbedDNSbed Barred

    I'm in China Mobile, this is my trace to DE:

    C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert web.de

    Tracing route to web.de [217.72.200.132]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 3719 ms 2065 ms 1070 ms 120.196.113.1
    3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 120.196.10.49
    4 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 120.196.0.33
    5 40 ms 11 ms 8 ms 221.176.19.85
    6 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 221.176.24.10
    7 12 ms 10 ms 9 ms 221.176.24.154
    8 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 221.176.23.94
    9 13 ms 17 ms 17 ms 63-218-211-33.static.pccwglobal.net [63.218.211.
    33]
    10 338 ms 337 ms 337 ms linx.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.224.9
    8]
    11 348 ms 348 ms 336 ms linx.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.224.9
    8]
    12 348 ms 349 ms 348 ms 212.227.122.7
    13 351 ms 349 ms 349 ms ae-4.gw-diste.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net [212.227.1
    21.194]
    14 349 ms 347 ms 346 ms web.de [217.72.200.132]

    Trace complete.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited August 2012 
    9  13 ms 17 ms 17 ms 63-218-211-33.static.pccwglobal.net [63.218.211.33]
10 338 ms 337 ms 337 ms linx.bb-c.the.lon.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.224.98]

    With this carrier there is no way to tell from the trace which route it took, it's hidden. Judging from the ping it could be via the US.

  • DanielMDanielM Member
    edited August 2012

    My traffic goes via Newyork Level 3 Then to San Jose

    <

    pre>
    1 <1 ms <1 ms 13 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 5 ms 12 ms 4 ms host-78-148-128-1.as13285.net [78.148.128.1]
    3 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms host-78-151-225-113.static.as13285.net [78.151.2
    25.113]
    4 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms host-78-151-225-14.static.as13285.net [78.151.22
    5.14]
    5 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms xe-11-1-0-rt001.sov.as13285.net [62.24.240.14]
    6 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms host-78-144-1-65.as13285.net [78.144.1.65]
    7 14 ms 20 ms 15 ms ae52.edge5.London1.Level3.net [212.187.138.77]
    8 14 ms 14 ms 24 ms ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]

    9 14 ms 16 ms 14 ms ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]

    10 90 ms 88 ms 88 ms ae-42-42.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.70]

    11 89 ms 90 ms 99 ms ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.66]

    12 87 ms 87 ms 87 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.148.33]

    13 156 ms 155 ms 157 ms 4.69.135.185
    14 156 ms 163 ms 156 ms ae-91-91.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.153.14]

    15 155 ms 155 ms 155 ms ae-4-90.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.69.152.208]

    16 263 ms 254 ms 287 ms CHINA-TELEC.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.71.114.
    102]
    17 254 ms 254 ms 254 ms 202.97.90.29
    18 440 ms 440 ms 440 ms 202.97.51.65
    19 438 ms 438 ms 438 ms 202.97.53.249
    20 438 ms 438 ms 442 ms 202.97.53.105
    21 457 ms 459 ms 455 ms 220.181.0.38
    22 435 ms 433 ms 442 ms 220.181.16.38
    23 463 ms 467 ms 474 ms 211.100.2.205
    24 * * * Request timed out.
    25 * * * Request timed out.

  • DNSbedDNSbed Barred

    @rm_ yes thanks for pointing that out.

  • flyfly Member

    doesn't matter if there is a direct connection... china routing is dumb as shit.

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @cosmicgate said: I tried connecting from shanghai to de while I was there and the speed is shit (0.4 mbps max). China is not utilizing that 10x10G connection.

    No, the problem is not the connection from/to China (The CT link to Velia runs at more than a few Gbit all day long) the problem is that the capacity (not even the routers, the optics) between the CT/CNC distribution cities (Shanghai/Beijing/Shenzhen/Ürümqi) are overloaded to the f*uck.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    @cosmicgate said: I tried connecting from shanghai to de while I was there and the speed is shit (0.4 mbps max). China is not utilizing that 10x10G connection.

    That 10x10G connection is probably nothing for the 1 billion users in China :) What do you expect... the internet is slow everywhere in China.

  • DNSbedDNSbed Barred

    @rds100 you are really right.

  • flam316flam316 Member

    NTT just started leasing fiber on a HK to London land route that crosses Siberia. If your provider uses NTT, you should start to see those routes pretty soon. It's 50 - 100 MS faster than going across the US or underseas routes through the Mediterranean.

    http://www.telecomramblings.com/2012/08/ntt-lowers-its-hkeurope-latency-via-tea-2/

  • TheHackBoxTheHackBox Member

    There is some connectivity between Europe and China but it sucks. It is just sometimes better to go through LA for connectivity.

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    Here is a nice map of various cables (mainly owned by Rostelecom and partners) which route to China etc. over Russia and Europe:
    http://fr.edis.at:8080/william/Rostelecom_Irina.pdf

    Thanked by 1ElliotJ
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    A lot of the traffic is DDoS, p2p, probing, malware, etc.
    That strangles VPN and normal browsing, probably also GFW is introducing some delays.
    I am sure that connectivity will improve soon.
    M

  • KenshinKenshin Member

    The problem is I won't be surprised if CT/CU are doing the same thing in EU as in Asia/US, selling their direct routes (with SLA) for skyhigh prices. So unless your EU provider is going to pay CT/CU (or if their upstream does), the route is going to be best-effort, aka cheapest path possible regardless of saturation.

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