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How long are your passwords?

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  • AldryicAldryic Member
    Registrant:
    Anonymous You LLC
    4921 SW 25th Place
    Cape Coral, FL 33914
    United States
    
    Administrative Contact:
    Anonymous You LLC
    4921 SW 25th Place
    Cape Coral, FL 33914
    United States
    [email protected]
    +609 7038024
    

    Yeah, I trust that not to save whatever I give it just as much as I trust those "find out if your SSN is on the internet" sites.

    @Brandon - please use more common sense when directing people to websites; this is clearly a phishing scam.

  • klikliklikli Member

    Seriously, my bank won't accept passwords exceeding 20 characters for online banking:/

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    @Aldryic said: Yeah, I trust that not to save whatever I give it just as much as I trust those "find out if your SSN is on the internet" sites.

    Any suggestion then? I want to try a new password =)

  • AldryicAldryic Member

    @netomx said: Any suggestion then? I want to try a new password =)

    Pretty much: never trust any site, no matter who runs it, that tells you to put in your password/SSN/etc and 'they won't store it'.

  • debugdebug Member

    @Aldryic said: Yeah, I trust that not to save

    View the source. It's all client-side javascript. This is the main javascript that 'calculates' how secure the password is:

    http://howsecureismypassword.net/hsimp.js

    It also checks from a dictionary of words, found here:

    http://howsecureismypassword.net/dictionary.js

    Basically you could save the site locally and it will work perfectly.

  • I use lastpass with yubikey (2 factor auth). The lastpass master password is over 20 characters and completely random. I then just typed it enough times I remembered it. It then generates all my other passwords. I have a handful of passwords I use for things like shell accounts and games that need a login (so annoying, I have this game on my local computer and it won't let me save the password...)

    Some interesting sites: http://www.grc.com/haystack.htm which gives a suggestion much like the xkcd comic, where length is more important than complexity. So take "P@ssw0rd" and add 20 periods at the end and you have a 28 character password. Obviously as soon as someone knows your method of padding the word it can make things a lot easier to crack so the word should be something unique and padding with something other than period. Granted I haven't used this method but a lot of people like it. Btw this site is also client side javascript so your passwords doesn't get transmitted anywhere. You can look at the code but the guy behind grc.com is very security conscious. Also don't put your ACTUAL password in there but just do the same thing. So using "P@ssw0rd" I would type in "A$def6ge" (matches the captialization, number and special character).

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @speckl said: I don't like the "one password to rule them all" approach. So if you use a pass keeper, all that is needed is the main password. Storing your passwords mentally is definitely the way to go. Since I use the algorithmic approach, then really I just remember the process and then I'm done. Each login is different.

    Ironically that means you're using the 'one password to rule them all' approach, but with an algorhithm instead of a password.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    That page says:

    It would take a desktop PC
    About 387 duodecillion years
    to hack your password
  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member
    edited May 2012

    @netomx said: It would take a desktop PC

    About 387 duodecillion years
    to hack your password

    That statement is pretty false, because in 10 years time (if we still exist) the computers will be 100x more powerful then the computers we have now.

    Thanked by 1klikli
  • JacobJacob Member

    It would take a desktop PC
    About 408 thousand years
    to hack your password

    Oh Well....

    @netomx said: That page says:

    It would take a desktop PC

    About 387 duodecillion years
    to hack your password

  • specklspeckl Member

    @joepie91 said: Ironically that means you're using the 'one password to rule them all' approach, but with an algorhithm instead of a password.

    The difference is that I don't store the algorithm or my passwords where people can possibly have a chance at retrieving them.

  • CoreyCorey Member

    @speckl and neither do we with our password keeper.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    @Jacob said: It would take a desktop PC

    About 408 thousand years
    to hack your password

    Oh Well....

    well that's the password I'm gonna use now =)

  • @Aldryic said: Using your admin login, create a 'group' whose name you will remember.

    Orrr an alias for your user...?

  • aubsaubs Member

    With Google Apps, I just have one main mailbox and all email goes to there regardless of which address is used, as long as it is to @mydomain. I can set it up to send email from the one account with different from addresses (doesn't appear as 'on behalf of'), so the account or group is never created and thereby itself not hackable. Much easier to manage than @Aldryic 's approach IMO.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    Well I think that with the 2 step verification is fine

  • @aubs said: With Google Apps, I just have one main mailbox and all email goes to there regardless of which address is used, as long as it is to @mydomain.

    Agreed, the problem is that google doesn't have a way to blackhole addresses once you're done with them (you have to actually make an account to act as a "blackhole")

  • BoltersdriveerBoltersdriveer Member, LIR

    Here is one of mine:
    i will never say never

  • aubsaubs Member

    @DimeCadmium : Yes, I noticed that. Create account then disable it to bounce all emails.

  • @DimeCadmium said: Agreed, the problem is that google doesn't have a way to blackhole addresses once you're done with them

    Just create a filter to delete every mail send to a specific address.

  • aubsaubs Member

    @gsrdgrdghd : If you do it that way, it doesn't bounce the mail back as undeliverable, though if you just don't want the mails, yes, it works unless the to address isn't set.

  • @aubs said: @DimeCadmium : Yes, I noticed that. Create account then disable it to bounce all emails.

    Indeed. Just kinda a pain to not be able to truly blackhole them. Back when I first signed up you couldn't disable accounts and so you had to just set a low quota and let it fill up...

  • BrandonBrandon Member

    @Aldryic said: @Brandon - please use more common sense when directing people to websites; this is clearly a phishing scam.

    Sorry but what makes you say it is a phishing scam?

  • antivenantiven Member

    @Brandon said: Sorry but what makes you say it is a phishing scam?

    @debug said: View the source. It's all client-side javascript. This is the main javascript that 'calculates' how secure the password is:

    http://howsecureismypassword.net/hsimp.js

    It also checks from a dictionary of words, found here:

    http://howsecureismypassword.net/dictionary.js

    Basically you could save the site locally and it will work perfectly.

  • u4iau4ia Member

    There was an article on entropy on Dropbox's forum, gave a demo page for checking entropy. There is also a link to the project's github, so you can have the source code for yourself to be sure it's not phishing :)

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/209/zxcvbn/test/index.html

  • tommytommy Member

    not too long only 40 character
    sample
    x27q#RGxT23#vcWg7&pdh*h6Cw6vKk^c9G63*n&B

    :)

    but some site not allowing more than 16 character password

  • FRCoreyFRCorey Member

    We need passwords, hundreds of them, and long, twice as long as a man.

  • FreekFreek Member

    I use LastPass to generate random and save passwords for me, so for most sites I have no clue. Some sites however, don't work very well with LastPass. Usually those are crappy homemade non-important websites which will get a default password from me with a prefix.
    And some sites, like my bank account/PayPal are only memorized by myself. Not written down, and not even LastPass knows it. Just me. 20+ chars, upper/lower/special/number.

  • JTRJTR Member
    edited May 2012

    34-char SSH password for my main gameserver dedi, made up of lowercase letters, punctuation, and numbers. I also use Fail2ban to stop bots from bruteforcing it. And, best of all, I can even remember it without issue, so it's not written down anywhere.

    For other passwords (forums, email, etc), I use fairly unique ones, but I wouldn't call them extremely secure.

  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member
    edited May 2012

    @JTR said: 34-char SSH password for my main gameserver dedi, made up of lowercase letters, punctuation, and numbers. I also use Fail2ban to stop bots from bruteforcing it. And, best of all, I can even remember it without issue, so it's not written down anywhere.

    Or you could just use a ssh key. Much more comfortable, secure and convenient.

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