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Cloudblast - Funniest service I ever seen

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  • @cloudblast said:
    Happy to refund you if you were not one of those abusers.

    if i remember correctly you don't refund at any according to your policies when it was an entire issues from your side and was a normal user expected normal usage and was describedas threatened in let ?

    @cloudblast said:
    We can't simply apply the "close an eye" policy on everyone, just because they dont want to keep the balance... It's not even about spending the money, because he is effectively NOT paying the services until something is deployed. Again those kind of local payment methods costs us 10 EUR to apply a refund that's why we dont offer those kind of refunds on those payment methods.

    CPU steal has been partially solved as said in the ticket as well, we can't 100% solve it as we are completely out of stock and we have people begging to deploy our VPS's every single day, but I believe it's at an acceptable level now.

    And this is just an attempt to obtain something out of the tracks via threatening on LET.

    The request has not been made immediately, but after a while since the deposit, so it's not that he didn't know what was the service about...

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  • @itzsenu said:

    @cloudblast said: But what is the point? would have result only in complaints, refund requests and tickets for us to handle.

    Yeah, understandable. :smile:

    @cloudblast said: Not really, he was using quite alot of bandwidth,

    As he said, he was doing Linux ISO mirroring, so I wouldn’t really call him an abuser. Sorry, forgot to mention that. @averagedatahoarder

    Yeah 🤗

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  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    @itzsenu said: As he said, he was doing Linux ISO mirroring, so I wouldn’t really call him an abuser. Sorry, forgot to mention that. @averagedatahoarder

    Yeah that's what I just said, i said he was not...

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  • LeviLevi Veteran

    @itzsenu said: he was doing Linux ISO mirroring

    We all do that, aren't we?

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  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @TimboJones said: Your over bandwidth charges would far exceed Hetzner's equivalent plan comparing same bandwidth as Hetzner (20TB outbound only).

    It's about choosing at the end of the day.
    2 core 4gb ram with 20TB in hetzner (cost optimized line) costs 6 EUR. And those runs on Xeons, if we look at the Milan line (equivaled to our USA, HK) would be 19.99 EUR (leave alone their Singapore Prices...

    At cloudblast the same specs are 4,8 EUR (4,22 EUR if you pay yearly). All locations same price, no prices increases since ever, and you get EPYC Milans in few of our locations for no price difference.

    Ofcourse we could raise the prices to 6 EUR and include 20TB or fair use, we want that? no.
    98% of our users don't even use 5 or 10TB of bandwidth, why we would even risk our business with a fair use policy for those 2% of abusers?

    The core problem is bait-and-switch marketing. You sold the service advertised as unlimited bandwidth, and customers subscribed based on that promise.

    If your only concern is the 2% heavy users, there are mature ways to handle it: pre-written Fair Use Policy published before purchase, per-VM rate limiting, traffic shaping and fair queueing. These methods only target the heavy users without breaking the unlimited bandwidth promise you sold to everyone.

    You cannot retroactively redefine what counts as "abuse" after customers have already signed up and started consuming traffic. The definition of abuse must be clear and disclosed at the time of purchase, not made up later when your transit cost becomes too high.

    Material changes to service terms require advance notice and a grace period for existing customers. Changing billing/bandwidth rules immediately without prior warning is not acceptable. The issue is not the 2% users, it is that you are shifting your capacity planning risk onto existing paying customers.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @itzsenu said: I think one of the abusers you’re talking about is @averagedatahoarder

    Not really, he was using quite alot of bandwidth, but I believe after he spreaded voice, many started to come and do even worse.

    We do have various rate limits, throttlings and security measures in place, but then you have many using 100-200 Mbps 24/7 on 3 eur VPS's, it's not that easy to limit them, yes we could have throttled them to 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps like other providers do.

    Fair use means that few people are supposed to use a high amount of bandwidth occasionally, which is totally fine.
    But what happens when you get people using not very high speeds 24/7 with multiple vm's.
    200 Mbps doesn't sound alot but multiple that by 25-30 VM's

    But what is the point? would have result only in complaints, refund requests and tickets for us to handle.

    Bandwidth procurement and capacity planning are your business risks, not your customers’.
    When you listed the plan as unlimited bandwidth, you should have accounted for large traffic consumers. Your miscalculation of transit costs should not be fixed by breaking promises to existing customers.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @itzsenu said: I think one of the abusers you’re talking about is @averagedatahoarder

    Not really, he was using quite alot of bandwidth, but I believe after he spreaded voice, many started to come and do even worse.

    We do have various rate limits, throttlings and security measures in place, but then you have many using 100-200 Mbps 24/7 on 3 eur VPS's, it's not that easy to limit them, yes we could have throttled them to 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps like other providers do.

    Fair use means that few people are supposed to use a high amount of bandwidth occasionally, which is totally fine.
    But what happens when you get people using not very high speeds 24/7 with multiple vm's.
    200 Mbps doesn't sound alot but multiple that by 25-30 VM's

    But what is the point? would have result only in complaints, refund requests and tickets for us to handle.

    If your multi-tenant platform cannot isolate heavy users without breaking your advertised unlimited bandwidth promise, that is a limitation of your infrastructure, not customer fault. Traffic shaping and per-VM burst limits are standard industry tooling.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @TimboJones said: I'm not a customer, I'm just pointing out an immediate change of specifications without notice and grace period is shady and possibly illegal. That's not acceptable. Full. Stop.

    Happy to refund you if you were not one of those abusers.
    The change was immediat because was a situation that was starting to cause troubles to other users on the same nodes, for some reason since voice spread out a bunch of people started abusing the network in an uncontrolled way (yes, we do had throttling). Simple as that.

    And since it didn't impact 98% of the users we just did it. INDEED we didn't lost any customer because of that, we are at all time high servers deployed amount, No one even complained about that, except very very few people and you guys here.

    Under EU consumer law, material changes to an ongoing service contract require prior notice and a right to cancel without penalty.
    Unilaterally introducing new bandwidth overage charges immediately without advance notice is questionable.
    The terms advertised at purchase form part of the contract.

  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    @shenmu said: The core problem is bait-and-switch marketing. You sold the service advertised as unlimited bandwidth, and customers subscribed based on that promise.

    There's no bait here, we had unlimited bandwidth for over 2 YEARS (SINCE INCEPTION) (FYI even when we had 10TB limits at first, extra bandwidth was not charged, so was unmetered in reality). and people used hundreds of TB of bandwidth for YEARS without issues, what kind of bait is there? are you out of your mind?

    The problem came just now, after some public advertising about of generosity and many many people started abusing with no regret.

    Cmone let's stop this idiocracy, we've been WAY TOO GENEROUS, and people abused what we used to offer.

    If you don't know the full course of things please avoid commenting without any context.

    If you purchased recently before the change, happy to give a refund, LIKE WE DID WITH SOME ALREADY.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @TimboJones said: I'm not a customer, I'm just pointing out an immediate change of specifications without notice and grace period is shady and possibly illegal. That's not acceptable. Full. Stop.

    Happy to refund you if you were not one of those abusers.
    The change was immediat because was a situation that was starting to cause troubles to other users on the same nodes, for some reason since voice spread out a bunch of people started abusing the network in an uncontrolled way (yes, we do had throttling). Simple as that.

    And since it didn't impact 98% of the users we just did it. INDEED we didn't lost any customer because of that, we are at all time high servers deployed amount, No one even complained about that, except very very few people and you guys here.

    The fact that 98% of users are unaffected, there are few complaints and new deployments keep rising, does not justify unilaterally changing core service terms.
    Silence from most users is not consent. Many are simply not hitting the new limits yet. Contract terms apply to every paying customer, not decided by majority vote.

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  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    @shenmu said: prior notice and a right to cancel without penalty.

    Make no sense, we had to take immediate action, there is no waiting time when you have abusers using 8 Gbps in and out 24/7 on all nodes.

    I would have liked to have time to do prior notices or whatever bureaucratic thing you suggest.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @shenmu said: The core problem is bait-and-switch marketing. You sold the service advertised as unlimited bandwidth, and customers subscribed based on that promise.

    There's no bait here, we had unlimited bandwidth for over 2 YEARS (SINCE INCEPTION) (FYI even when we had 10TB limits at first, extra bandwidth was not charged, so was unmetered in reality). and people used hundreds of TB of bandwidth for YEARS without issues, what kind of bait is there? are you out of your mind?

    The problem came just now, after some public advertising about of generosity and many many people started abusing with no regret.

    Cmone let's stop this idiocracy, we've been WAY TOO GENEROUS, and people abused what we used to offer.

    If you don't know the full course of things please avoid commenting without any context.

    If you purchased recently before the change, happy to give a refund, LIKE WE DID WITH SOME ALREADY.

    I’m not asking for a refund and I’m still actively using your service. I’m not here to argue or demand compensation.
    I appreciate you offered generous unlimited bandwidth for years, and I understand you are facing bandwidth pressure from heavy users.
    My concern is not about blocking your efforts to mitigate abuse. I agree you need ways to protect the platform and other tenants. What I find improper is the way this rule change was rolled out: no advance notice and no grace period for existing customers.
    I’m bringing this up hoping for a better process for future updates, which will benefit both your business and all users long-term.

  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    @shenmu said: there are few complaints and new deployments keep rising, does not justify unilaterally changing core service terms.

    You know ZERO about our customers, most of the customers who were using large amounts of traffic already had paid contracts in place, only abusers were.

    Can you kindly give me your account email? At least I can see if you were an abuser or not and avoid this useless discussion.

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  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:

    @shenmu said: prior notice and a right to cancel without penalty.

    Make no sense, we had to take immediate action, there is no waiting time when you have abusers using 8 Gbps in and out 24/7 on all nodes.

    I would have liked to have time to do prior notices or whatever bureaucratic thing you suggest.

    I understand sudden, node-wide bandwidth pressure requires immediate operational action to protect the network.
    But there is a critical distinction: emergency traffic shaping or rate limiting targeting only those high‑usage instances is an operational fix. Changing the core commercial terms of the plan and introducing new overage fees for all users is a contractual change.
    You could immediately throttle the small number of abusive VMs to protect your links without rewriting the service agreement for every existing customer.
    I fully get you wished you had time for advance notice. The takeaway is that resource isolation and per‑instance traffic safeguards should be in place ahead of time, to prevent reaching this crisis point in the first place.
    I’m still using your service and only want better processes for future similar situations.

  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider
    edited October 5

    But whoever you are, you would have suffered anyway from the abuse on the network made by others, so it's pointless to keep crying about the fact that we removed the fair use policies.

    Because if you were sitting on a node with 8Gbit in and out constant you would have complained anyway.

    And trust me we evaluated all possible options, throttling, banning specific users, etc..

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:
    But whoever you are, you would have suffered anyway from the abuse on the network made by others, so it's pointless to keep crying about the fact that we removed the fair use policies.

    Because if you were sitting on a node with 8Gbit in and out constant you would have complained anyway.

    And trust me we evaluated all possible options, throttling, banning specific users, etc..

    I understand no provider can please everyone and criticism is inevitable online. But that does not make discussion about the process of changing terms meaningless.
    My point is not that you should ignore the 8Gbps traffic issue. Targeted throttling or suspension of the specific high‑usage instances affects only the small group causing the load, instead of rewriting the plan terms for every customer.
    I appreciate you evaluated multiple options. I’d be curious to know why targeted per‑instance traffic limits were ruled out as the primary mitigation, rather than changing the core terms for all existing users.
    I remain an active user without requesting a refund. I only hope future large changes can be handled with better communication.

  • shenmushenmu Member

    @cloudblast said:
    But whoever you are, you would have suffered anyway from the abuse on the network made by others, so it's pointless to keep crying about the fact that we removed the fair use policies.

    Because if you were sitting on a node with 8Gbit in and out constant you would have complained anyway.

    And trust me we evaluated all possible options, throttling, banning specific users, etc..

    Thank you for the detailed explanation. I respect your final decision, and I will continue using the service. I hope future major changes can have better advance communication.

  • @cloudblast said: we had unlimited bandwidth for over 2 YEARS

    That’s why I asked if you could do some kind of limit. I actually found you guys through AI around a year ago, and unlimited bandwidth was one of the key things that caught my attention.

    But even 5–10 TB at this price with this hardware is damn good, especially with no random price hikes.

    BLAST ME :D

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  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    @shenmu said: Thank you for the detailed explanation. I respect your final decision, and I will continue using the service. I hope future major changes can have better advance communication.

    Surely will be done thanks for understanding, we're reworking a bit the plans (to go up in bandwidth allowance) already, maybe will come a correction in 1 month or so, currently monitoring the feedbacks and usage.

  • @shenmu said: You cannot retroactively redefine what counts as "abuse" after customers have already signed up and started consuming traffic. The definition of abuse must be clear and disclosed at the time of purchase, not made up later when your transit cost becomes too high.

    yeah no, they can.

    https://cloudblast.io/terms
    We may change these Terms at any time without notice to you. If we do, we will post the updated Terms on the Website. It is your responsibility to check the Website from time to time for changes. Once updated Terms are posted, your continued use of the Website or the Services is your acceptance of those updated Terms.

    i genuinely wish your clanker get a better meat proxy. not the one that fail to check some basic pages and feed it to context prompt properly.

  • @ScreenReader said:

    https://cloudblast.io/terms
    We may change these Terms at any time without notice to you. If we do, we will post the updated Terms on the Website. It is your responsibility to check the Website from time to time for changes. Once updated Terms are posted, your continued use of the Website or the Services is your acceptance of those updated Terms.

    One has to live in some uncivilized country where this actually takes effect.

  • @ScreenReader said:

    @shenmu said: You cannot retroactively redefine what counts as "abuse" after customers have already signed up and started consuming traffic. The definition of abuse must be clear and disclosed at the time of purchase, not made up later when your transit cost becomes too high.

    yeah no, they can.

    https://cloudblast.io/terms
    We may change these Terms at any time without notice to you. If we do, we will post the updated Terms on the Website. It is your responsibility to check the Website from time to time for changes. Once updated Terms are posted, your continued use of the Website or the Services is your acceptance of those updated Terms.

    i genuinely wish your clanker get a better meat proxy. not the one that fail to check some basic pages and feed it to context prompt properly.

    Changing terms of service is not the same as changing the terms of an executed contract.

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  • zedzed Veteran

    just chargeback and move on, we're all here because we're trying to max value.

  • ailiceailice Member

    MJJ really trying protect unlimited bw chicken

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  • @cloudblast said:
    But whoever you are, you would have suffered anyway from the abuse on the network made by others, so it's pointless to keep crying about the fact that we removed the fair use policies.

    Wow is that how your parents talk to you?

    "Keep crying" son...

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  • @cloudblast said:

    @TimboJones said: I'm not a customer, I'm just pointing out an immediate change of specifications without notice and grace period is shady and possibly illegal. That's not acceptable. Full. Stop.

    Happy to refund you if you were not one of those abusers.

    I wasn't. Please refund me eleventy million dollars.

    The change was immediat because was a situation that was starting to cause troubles to other users on the same nodes, for some reason since voice spread out a bunch of people started abusing the network in an uncontrolled way (yes, we do had throttling). Simple as that.

    "Starting to..." and "change was immediat [sic]". The throttling was the solution for the 2%. You're not making your case.

    And since it didn't impact 98% of the users we just did it. INDEED we didn't lost any customer because of that, we are at all time high servers deployed amount, No one even complained about that, except very very few people and you guys here.

    tl;dr no lessons learned.

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