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After 25 years, Italian email provider Autistici/Inventati shuts down due to US government pressure

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Patron Provider, Veteran

    Secondary sanctions and the extension of U.S. local legislation to the entire world are, of course, simply ridiculous. This only works because the U.S. were global hegemon, and many corrupt representatives of national governments are forced to follow U.S. directives. I believe that the CIA, the FBI, and other U.S. law enforcement agencies have a wealth of incriminating material on many of them. May I offer something to the citizens of the affected countries? Resisting American hegemony should become your main goal. Only your people should be the hegemon in your country.

  • @rustelekom said: May I offer something to the citizens of the affected countries? Resisting American hegemony should become your main goal. Only your people should be the hegemon in your country.

    That's exactly the kind of thing A/I was made for. :disappointed:

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Patron Provider, Veteran

    @forest said:

    @rustelekom said: May I offer something to the citizens of the affected countries? Resisting American hegemony should become your main goal. Only your people should be the hegemon in your country.

    That's exactly the kind of thing A/I was made for. :disappointed:

    What do you mean? Of course, American artificial intelligence has been and will continue to be used solely to convey the American point of view on everything to the whole world. But fortunately, as an alternative, we can use Chinese, Russian, and other national developments of large language models.

  • forestforest Member
    edited September 7

    @rustelekom said:

    @forest said:

    @rustelekom said: May I offer something to the citizens of the affected countries? Resisting American hegemony should become your main goal. Only your people should be the hegemon in your country.

    That's exactly the kind of thing A/I was made for. :disappointed:

    What do you mean? Of course, American artificial intelligence has been and will continue to be used solely to convey the American point of view on everything to the whole world. But fortunately, as an alternative, we can use Chinese, Russian, and other national developments of large language models.

    A/I (Autistici/Inventati), not AI (Artificial Intelligence). I agree though. Mainstream American LLMs are propaganda tools.

  • Can't we build a full ecosystem Wet Raccoon cant touch?

  • rustelekomrustelekom Patron Provider, Veteran

    @forest said:

    @rustelekom said:

    @forest said:

    @rustelekom said: May I offer something to the citizens of the affected countries? Resisting American hegemony should become your main goal. Only your people should be the hegemon in your country.

    That's exactly the kind of thing A/I was made for. :disappointed:

    What do you mean? Of course, American artificial intelligence has been and will continue to be used solely to convey the American point of view on everything to the whole world. But fortunately, as an alternative, we can use Chinese, Russian, and other national developments of large language models.

    A/I (Autistici/Inventati), not AI (Artificial Intelligence). I agree though. Mainstream American LLMs are propaganda tools.

    Ah, got you.

  • @itzsenu said:
    Can't we build a full ecosystem Wet Raccoon cant touch?

    Yes, but we can't talk about it here.

  • man, what a news. i'm ordering sad pizza

  • @forest said:
    Strongly related to US government sanctions Autistici Inventati, Italian pro-privacy email provider.

    https://keepitfree.ai/announcements/a/i-shuts-down-stay-human/

    Not much to say about this, but it's sad. 25 years as a non-profit email provider is a long time, all ended because of pressure from a country on the other side of the world. Not many email providers get that old.

    The example why DNS is not decentralized. I wish it was :smile:

  • that really is very sad news. my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them, because now we have proof that reputable providers (like autistici, of course) are throwing in the towel because their opponents are too powerful. it might be better to use a “gray man” service.

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  • @itzsenu said:
    A small nonprofit running email for 25 years can basically get kneecapped because a bank doesnt want to deal with US secondary sanctions. You don't even need to be in the US for US policy to become your problem.

    How did we get to a point where a decision made in the US can make an Italian bank afraid to provide basic banking to an Italian organization because of US secondary sanctions?

    The US isnt the government of the world ?

    didnt you know... the west knows (always) best!

  • @hyperblast said: my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them

    So we shouldn't use a provider because our adversaries sometimes get the provider shut down? Isn't that just obeying the bully?

  • @al1r4d said:

    @forest said:
    Strongly related to US government sanctions Autistici Inventati, Italian pro-privacy email provider.

    https://keepitfree.ai/announcements/a/i-shuts-down-stay-human/

    Not much to say about this, but it's sad. 25 years as a non-profit email provider is a long time, all ended because of pressure from a country on the other side of the world. Not many email providers get that old.

    The example why DNS is not decentralized. I wish it was :smile:

    A perfect reason why technologies like Tor's onion services are so useful. Those are damned hard to get shut down!

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited September 16

    @forest said:

    @hyperblast said: my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them

    So we shouldn't use a provider because our adversaries sometimes get the provider shut down? Isn't that just obeying the bully?

    The alternative would be getting sanctioned. Perhaps gangstalked too

  • @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @hyperblast said: my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them

    So we shouldn't use a provider because our adversaries sometimes get the provider shut down? Isn't that just obeying the bully?

    The alternative would be getting sanctioned. Perhaps gangstalked too

    You don't get sanctioned for using a free service provided by a sanctioned entity. Anyway my response was more about the idea that we should always avoid political providers with the reason being that they might get sanctioned or shut down. But the same could be said about any privacy technology: Don't use VPNs because they might get banned. Don't avoid sending your photo ID to every site that asks because that might become mandatory. Etc.

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  • @forest said:

    @hyperblast said: my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them

    So we shouldn't use a provider because our adversaries sometimes get the provider shut down? Isn't that just obeying the bully?

    your interpretation - and ultimately, your decision. i'm more in favor of greyman strategies.

  • @forest said:

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @hyperblast said: my opinion on politically aligned providers is probably well known, and i will continue to warn against using them

    So we shouldn't use a provider because our adversaries sometimes get the provider shut down? Isn't that just obeying the bully?

    The alternative would be getting sanctioned. Perhaps gangstalked too

    You don't get sanctioned for using a free service provided by a sanctioned entity. Anyway my response was more about the idea that we should always avoid political providers with the reason being that they might get sanctioned or shut down. But the same could be said about any privacy technology: Don't use VPNs because they might get banned. Don't avoid sending your photo ID to every site that asks because that might become mandatory. Etc.

    Guilt by association is real. If you sent donations, it would mean you're their benefactor.
    Hosts in this forum did banned signup from vpn and tor, right?

  • @rpqu said: Guilt by association is real. If you sent donations, it would mean you're their benefactor.

    Unfortunately that's true. I can't legally donate to them anymore, although past donations aren't an issue.

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited September 16

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said: Guilt by association is real. If you sent donations, it would mean you're their benefactor.

    Unfortunately that's true. I can't legally donate to them anymore, although past donations aren't an issue.

    Yes.
    Remember when voter ID is a controversial subject? Now some random service require KYC with 3rd party. Doesn't make sense. It feels like we're in twilight zone

  • @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said: Guilt by association is real. If you sent donations, it would mean you're their benefactor.

    Unfortunately that's true. I can't legally donate to them anymore, although past donations aren't an issue.

    Yes.
    Remember when voter ID is a controversial subject? Now some random service require KYC with 3rd party. Doesn't make sense. It feels like we're in twilight zone

    It doesn't make sense mixing voting for government and buying a commercial service using another companies infrastructure. I don't exactly know what you're getting at.

  • use gmail or protonmail

  • @Jackma1 said:
    use gmail or protonmail

    lol what

  • @Jackma1 said: use gmail or protonmail

  • @itzsenu said:

    @Jackma1 said: use gmail or protonmail

    I dont like proton as I dont really like their android apps. I tried using tuta, but naa, I need smtp and imap access. I switched to posteo for sometime but a lot of emails from my university and sometimes github were never received and there support is bit slow too, so dropped it too !! At present I am back to outlook.
    @forest @itzsenu any recommendations?? I was considering runbox but I read somewhere that they are not good email delivery wise.... I need something which has support for atleast 5 to 10 email aliases with smtp, imap support and I dont like using custom domain.

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  • @buggedout said: @forest @itzsenu any recommendations??

    Disroot?

  • @forest said:

    @buggedout said: @forest @itzsenu any recommendations??

    Disroot?

    I think they dont have email alias feature. I will check them again as I am not sure....

  • itzsenuitzsenu Member
    edited September 17

    @buggedout said: I think they dont have email alias feature. I will check them again as I am not sure....

    ya, they don't give aliases. just bring ur own domain, that's it.

    even if u get a custom domain, u can only make 5 aliases max. and to get aliases, u need to make a donation. and if u need a @disroot.org alias, u have to send them a special request and prove why u need it. but only 1 alias, as i think.

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  • itzsenuitzsenu Member
    edited September 17
  • dreamfactdreamfact Member
    edited September 17

    Didn't they have any professionals advising them on how to move and diversify their funds, for example by keeping them across different accounts or entities, or holding part of the funds in cryptocurrency?

  • @dreamfact said:
    Didn't any professionals advise them on how to move the funds and spread them across different accounts or cryptocurrencies?

    I don't think they expected an entirely legal service to be sanctioned and for the sanctions to result in their bank (illegally) seizing the funds.

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