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Introducing Google Cloud Fraud Defense, the next evolution of reCAPTCHA
whynotlearn
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Google seems to in some sense requiring an smartphone for you to scan a qr code in to pass re-captcha. Absolutely incredibly insane stuff when you realize it and it seems to slowly move towards the direction of TPM involved captchas.
Also the security implications..., We are gonna have people be accustomed to scanning qr codes for verification thanks to google, the amount of scams are gonna increase just about so much more now, especially when supply chain in open source has been at one of its lowest points from my understanding sometimes because of such scams.
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this where the the fun part begins, many people will get their ass scammed due to nature to feel "its today standard to scan shit" thanks to google,
thats why im always need and want de-google many of my shit wherever possible
When you thought it would only be the EU's age verification/ID app that was designed to block non-smartphone users from using the internet...
Yeah, that seems to be quite hip recently. Geez, i guess i really need to type up that post at some point...
Well, if you are in the EU i have bad news for you. According to the reference implementation you won't get to choose whats running on your smartphone. Its either Android or iOS (unmodified obviously) or you won't be verifying anything.
Hope it helps block India and the 3rd World!
First they banned blind people from captchas, now you have to own an approved Android/Apple phone, awesome
Perhaps you are trolling and so I shouldn't give into this but still, I dislike this.
Firstly its an oddly weird take to name India in specific and secondly, I feel like this might also show the point on how people are able to accept their own privacy losses and throw axe on their own feet for these views. Nobody comes out winning on top because of these things as its a loss on privacy in general. "In-fighting" and "divide and rule" as a strategy have always worked for the people with powers of influence and I hope that we all read history and instead of trying to repeating/rhyming with the dark sides of history books, We try to unite and create a better future for all of us and stand against these corporations doing whatever they might wish to do.
Yeah. I don't like this at all. But with the age verification bullshit who's surprised now.
You from India jeet?
Yes, and I wish for you to have a nice day as we are all humans. I understand that the world is having a lot of catastrophic problems and this is making some people try to look for a place to share that hatred but yes, the only way to solve those problems is if people work together as some issues are cross-national like privacy. Now I suggest you if you have any shred of dignity to please not make more harmful comments about any communities or hate them for solely existing.
Have a good day. I also wish to say that I am proud to be Indian and I love my country, It has its flaws but I have hope that it will improve in any area it might lack, including sometimes within its perception online as some people have seem to bastardize my nation and its heritage into something deregotary and in that sense, I am trying my best to respond gently towards it and am trying my best to showcase the beautiful heritage that my nation possesses too :-D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Indian_sentiment#Anti-Indian_sentiment_on_social_media
The whole fucking World hates you at this point, smell around.
What if I import my phone since my local stores don't sell a certain models
I don't think somebody should hate somebody else for the place where they were born in shouldn't they? I mean, you don't even know the way I am and my opinions etc but already have a pre-concieved backwards notion of it.
Also my friend, you have really alienated from the original thread that this was/is about.
I live in India and although there are things that I dislike about it, but I love this country and its a beautiful nation and I recommend people to come visit here! The best thing I love about my county is the co-existence of animals, for example, one time I was going to the nearby shop which I go to to eat fast-food and the owner was feeding hungry street dogs on the streets and I asked him why he was doing this to know more about it and he answered saying that these dogs have no-one that can feed them and so he's helping them. Also the fast food is so cheap out here although the owner (they are actually a couple owned shop btw) had to recently increase prices because of the gas prices increasing because of the Iran war and they were really impacted by this war :-(
I hope this war ends soon.
I love my nation because I live in it even though there are things that I dislike about it and I hope that you can say the same about your nation too! Now, Have a nice day :-D
lol you don't even know what the hate is about. lol
And I feel like suggesting that you don't know it either if you are directing it in a forum of computer servers. This is Lowendtalk and I don't think that such racism/hate is welcomed here. Have a nice day and I also suggest to not de-lineate the topic thread from the main point.
bro let that shit head cheekydozen alone, flag and ignore him. Dont give that dumbass more space to cry.
everything google does is a mess!
@whynotlearn How's the enforced KYC for vps & dedi services going in India? Did it cut back on the scam operations?
What? What happened to ya mate but why are you being racist too?
respectfully, @rpqu I had respect for you but what is this statement dude.
Why do you feel like all indians are scammers and this statement towards India/Indians in particular? What is wrong with you to believe so. Is this the thing that you took from all of my other comments here talking about this issue where I am talking for unity/co-operation towards better future and ideals like privacy etc.?
Sigh, if you don't wish to read me, then why try to write back to me, I am unsure if this falls onto deaf ears,the most frustrating part about racism is precisely that.
I just want to say one things to these deaf ears if I can, we are all similar than different in most things except this hate which is unacceptable
You and me both like servers, so why the hate?
Why are you directing this hate in computer forums. I am so tired of this stuff, trying to answer things with a smile to hope that things will change and the thing that I had said previously, I don't think somebody should hate somebody else for the place where they were born in shouldn't they? I mean, you don't even know the way I am and my opinions etc but already have a pre-concieved backwards notion of it.
Please direct this hate to the local politician within your region so that they might bring active change within your region to help it out, Politics/town hall are great places to showcase that and I wish nothing but best for everyone actually reading this. Your politicians are the one who can help solve the issues that you might face, not hating us or any other group of people in particular. That simply ends up leading to nowhere.
TLDR: Keep this forum on talking about computer servers, this isn't the place to hate other people, I am sure that there must be definitely other forums about this hatred but this isn't one of them. I suggest not using the platform if you wish to present hatred towards anybody
Thanks and have a good evening.
Racist?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/216326/us-banks-will-soon-need-to-collect-citizenship-data/p1
Obviously, it's about privacy and government (intentionally or not) failing to catch scammers. The KYC has been around for like few months. Money wise, the growth is minimal. But number of complaint raises.
So, KYC doesn't deliver.
Edit:
If law enforcement took it seriously, perhaps there's no need for KYC when purchasing/renting digital services.
You may try to not discuss politics. But politics will find you.
I just want your perspective on the KYC effectiveness at curbing scams, man.
you are: second not first in this too (as someone was racist before this too). Just like within the server VPS thing the past day
Now, I want to answer this question deeply, this will get long so bear with me because I actually want to answer this once and for all.
yes, the reason why this is racist is that firstly this has nothing to do with the concept of scams. If you believe that google recaptcha somehow stops scammers, actually, its the complete opposite as scams would actually rise more now given the fact that we are conditioning people all around the world to scan qr codes on their phones as a normal part of workflow. So if you really want to prevent against scam as that's your main talking point, then you would be talking about it too.
Firstly, Indian people are the most impacted by scammers within India so its actually a net negative. As I have previously said, there are certain characteristics which has led to Indian scamming in particular like employment and crime paying better. Now, I have hope living within India that things will get better. I don't know what tangent you are about on KYC tho. Now suggesting about Law enforcement, I think that LE are an issue in any part of the world but also not at the same time. For example, within many western nations, sadly, drug abuse has become frequent. Now would you consider LE of that said nation to be the only factor? Yes but also, there's nuance as to the particular conditions which create the perfect storm in the first place which has led to this situation (I hope that drug abuse is stopped within the world, doing drugs isn't cool kids)
Now within a similar fashion, I would say about Indian LE. Now I still hope that Indian LE gets more stricter too and there are some factors about its corruption but the main issue I have is that there are corruption around the world (not that it justifies corruption) so pin-pointing especially in particular such corruption in particular in such way is quite lacking But I am really glad to know that you really care about Indian LE so much, I hope that you are more involved within your regional political/LE too. I hope that Indian LE on scams get even tighter within the future and Indian employment and working conditions even better.
As India is growing at a very high rate as one of the world's fastest growing economies, unfortunately that growth hasn't been spread up evenly and I genuinely want that this growth starts spreading more evenly so that everyone gets opportunities for employment and any other issue plaguing my country in general to be a better place because at the end of the day, Its all of us ourselves who have to live in it and we should all strive for a better future atleast within our localized fields of expertise/control to the extent that we control.
Now the reason why I think its racist to always bring up this is that by having a very 0.00001% of population (India has the most population) dictate how people's perception of the other 99.99999% is. As I have discussed, I am happy to discuss more about the situations which has led to that subset of population into doing these activities and Law enforcement and I would be happy to, but the blank talking point and your statements inadvertedly end up hating the entire population of India and the Indian ethnic race which is literally what definition of racism is in most contexts used within the Internet. This is what happens/happened to black people and chinese people and asian people and so many other surpressed populations throughout history. Its a way to force self-community dislike/inferiority complex to better control that population class as used within history.
The thing is that the same is happening towards India as hating Indians has become okay on the internet, just like how previously it was societally okay at times to do so for other cultures even though it was ethically wrong. Viewing from that sense, this hasn't been unique. Now this also comes to my deeper point of that what society sometimes sees as okay isn't completely ethically right and you know it instinctually, hating on a group of people/nation is simply wrong and If you are arguing that its right then there are bigger problems to worry about and that hate. I really don't think that we have learned anything from world wars/slavery and so many other things that how hating races leads up to no-where and the internet hate on india is the same.
Trust me we are working towards a better future for all of us here and I hope we move even more towards it faster than ever and I hope that you all can say the same about your countries. Indian culture and cuisine is diverse with rich history. I have british friends saying that they love our food, now the reason why they love it is that they are exposed to it. I would consider that you aren't exposed to Indian culture too so hating on the Indian nation and piling them all together as one but the reality is that actually, we are all really diverse people with our own diversity! within india too working in a nation where most people are honest people just living wage to wage and just living their life. just like the rest of the world. Once again, this platform isn't for hate. I have tried to talk about it simply because I hope that your hate comes from a place of ignorance rather than bad ideas and the only cure to ignorance is knowledge and I am happy to talk about these things and cracking these myths so let me know if you wish to know more.
@rpqu will probably soon get some nightmares with gigantic text walls running after him while the jello ground is preventing his escape.
this thread is getting derailed hard.
@whynotlearn ignore the racial prejudice. india isn't perfect. it has alot of problem. indians know that. so does rest of the world. you don't have to justify how India is great in other parts just because its well known to be bad in one(scam).
also don't be a karen. from the looks of it, he pointed out something obvious but i personally haven't seem him actually being racist. correct me if im wrong, im not as active as i used to be.
tldr: dont take the bait argument associated with racial prejudice.
As for actual fucking topic, i cant wait to see a new puppeteer update or a selenium script destroying this lmao. maybe a docker container simulating android phone and autoscanning the qr lol.
deal it the way i do: ban entire ASNs that do not serve you any purpose instead of captcha BS. i do it via cloudflare.
@whynotlearn I understand you, I have seen lot of hatred being directed at us across many platforms but I think @rpqu did not meant the thing in a racist view, I think @rpqu was just trying to understand if KYC has been able to curb any scams. I hope @rpqu intended it as a policy or privacy discussion rather than all Indians are scammers.
haha, good joke, thanks I write a lot, I love to write!
Now, I shouldn't have to write 5 paragraphs giving a detailed critique about a basic topic on "hey guys, racism is bad, lets not do racism" but if this is what I have to do to actually enlighten some people, then sure.
Also folks who are watching from the sides, I just want to tell them that the issue with just watching from the sides that what is spoken for too long sometimes starts feeling like a fact to many. Its best to counter misinformation and also, hey man, all of us have been oppressed one time or the another by anything. I mean we are being oppressed right now by the class
The largest divider has always been the absolutely rich vs poor but they make us infight and stuff. We are all similar than different. This is what the article is about, the Google tech giant unilaterally doing what it wants to do because in its eyes, we are all poor and we have to unite together if we really wish to fight against it.
Now, I just have a wish if this thread for the last time doesn't get de-lineated again and also that if you see somebody doing casual racism then to do the moral decision of stepping in and shutting it even if they aren't doing it against you simply because its an moral choice to do and I think that it would show me to believe that there is more hope in humanity too. I know that there is, but I just hope that the hope shows more humanity, thanks and have a good evening to y'all kind souls :-D
TLDR: It has almost always been an issue of class but they make us fight over the most petty things like racism,gender,nation and so many other not worth things to fight over. They want us all to fight against each other so that we don't fight against them (these tech giants and oligarchs), Also they want us to fight against each other because they know they can't win if we all unite. I hope that we unite though to create a better future for all of us no matter our race,creed,gender. And there is something of a hope for a better future in that last line.
Have a nice day.
In theory that sounds great and i would love to see this, practically i am pretty sure they will tie it to some variation of TEE though. Admittedly i am not 100% sure how this works but from what i read it will at the very least require a Google account and highly like not work on non-approved hardware (for example an emulator).
It kind of seems like a rehash of the TPM push from the early 2000s just that this time there seems to be a very real chance for it to succeed. It is some pretty scary shit since rolling out something like this would single-handedly end most of what we know as open today or really even most authority users still have over their systems in general.
Not a good idea if people use VPN or proxies.
Yes it will not work. I was recently opening a new google account and I was asked to scan a qr for verification. I scanned it through a phone with no google services, it failed. Then I installed google play services it still failed citing, I had to insert a sim too for it to work.
Well, you might have seen my reenactments of the Berlin wall...
I believe it's just another security theater. Most of the people are using their photo apps or some apps which implements zxing library. And many I believe open automatically to browser or another app. So, phising is possible since most people aren't using apps that by-default display the urls
As you said, there's circumstances that shaped LE (law enforcement) responses on their jurisdiction it's the law and the inhabitants of the country. Many of the problem in western nation came as they "relaxed" or prohibit certain responses. For example, the california's which redefined theft under $950 as misdemeanor, squatting, etc. This effectively legalized negative behaviours.
Now, Indian LE give though posture on these crimes, implement KYC, etc. But, has it succeed? What's the fundamental problem? Because it seems the problem can't be solved with more KYC, but for LE to actually work (and delayed transfer -> escrow service)
Sadly also not going to unlock whatever is behind the invasive captchas/verification/whatever.