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Do you prefer sugar-coated support or the full truth that might feel rude?

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  • networknetwork Member

    @layer7 said:

    @rpqu said:
    Yeah, unless they share the information, you won't be able to know. But, can you tell the demographic of those who said they had decades of experience under their belt by their writing? Hmm, that's too much of effort. How about this, is there a huge intersection between the two population you mentioned?

    Hi,

    honestly i am fine with this when the bad reviews are like:

    [...]i contacted support and was told i needed technical knowledge to use it[...]
    from some normal customer ( i guess )

    or

    "bad support ,have a stupid it"
    from a spamming customer ( this one i think i remember )

    I hope people will read it and not become customer if they can identify themselves with this reviews.

    I read all 3 bad reviews you got and I agree that none of them would make me not want to use your service in the future.

    Thanked by 2zejjnt Shakib
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @host_c said:

    At least you are not having but issues

    [image]

    I swear, these platforms are as useful as someone trying to solve quantum mechanics while drunk.

    STOP! Do not make fun of Karen M. Karen-Tina and her imbuttant cause!
    After all, someone abuses her trademarked (butt * politely whisper)!

    I do not approve, unless a poll on LET shows that a majority is for or against something or other ('$7' excluded). The official poll results must be published on www.karenstrademarkedbutt.plug to be considered valid and binding.

    FYI: @host_c your top provider status has been suspended for 0,3 ms (roughly equivalent to Karen's mental capacity) as a mild punishment and reminder that Karen might be on her way to a safe-zone.

    Thanked by 3Shakib host_c forest
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @Shakib said:

    @ralf said:
    The problem is that we (generally) "get computers".

    A lot of non-techy people are told by people like us something like "if you pay this company $20/y and get this server you can do X really easily".

    Non-techy person then buys that server and needs basic handholding because they have no idea, but they don't really know what it is they've bought and that the provider isn't going to help them, in their minds they spent their $20 and are expecting the X to happen.

    But I don't think it's entirely the fault of clueless customers, because providers are obviously trying to maximise sales and they make promises they shouldn't. Just going back to the OP for a second, if you visit HotScram's home page, you see stuff like "customer satisfaction and convenience are of the utmost importance for us" and "If you need any help, simply reply to this message. We are online and ready to help." and "Premium hosting features included at no extra cost" and "24/7 expert support team ready to assist you. Fast response times with knowledgeable staff via ticket, email, and live chat." Not a single one of those is giving the impression that a clueless purchaser is going to end up with a very steep learning curve or disappointment.

    IMHO support staff do way too much handholding for users who shouldn't really be buying a VPS at all. But the problem is that they're also marketing VPS to these same customers.

    This is why I clearly mention "Limited Support" and "Unmanaged" with some of our services.

    Now do I have to explain the meaning of those as well?

    No, but you should include a computer knowledge exam during the ordering process.
    Anyone who cannot pass this exam is only allowed to order managed servers.

    Thanked by 1Shakib
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @host_c said:

    Lol

    Google has a 2.3 Review, so you are good :+1:


    At least you are not having but issues

    I swear, these platforms are as useful as someone trying to solve quantum mechanics while drunk.

    There's high chance she was looking for underwear or some stupid stereotypically girlish query like [B-lister celebs] at a beach. Then, Google/FB feed it to her.
    Perhaps she forgot to turn on the NFSW filter. Perhaps she's so sensitive that too much of skin shown caused mental anguish.

    @host_c said:

    @emgh said:

    @jimaek said:
    I hate overly verbose and nice support, the more niceties they write the lower level support it is. Tell me to go fuck myself and fix the issue and I'll give you 5 stars.

    Go fuck yourself and fix the issue

    Ok guys, now I have to figure how to embed this in the ticketing system

    Damn, enough of shit-posting, let's get back to work......

    Let me try. #ZAU-948353

    @layer7 said:

    @rpqu said:
    Yeah, unless they share the information, you won't be able to know. But, can you tell the demographic of those who said they had decades of experience under their belt by their writing? Hmm, that's too much of effort. How about this, is there a huge intersection between the two population you mentioned?

    Hi,

    honestly i am fine with this when the bad reviews are like:

    [...]i contacted support and was told i needed technical knowledge to use it[...]
    from some normal customer ( i guess )

    or

    "bad support ,have a stupid it"
    from a spamming customer ( this one i think i remember )

    I hope people will read it and not become customer if they can identify themselves with this reviews.

    By your concern, I suppose you could make pre/post-purchase questionnaire. Or make checkbox titled "By clicking this I agree I will not ask support to help me with basic setup for my vps"

    Thanked by 1Shakib
  • zejjntzejjnt Member

    @sillycat said:
    image

    And I love him for it.

    Oliver is one of the best I am dealing with in that regard. Knows his shit and his attitude I can relate to all too well xD

  • layer7layer7 Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @rpqu said:
    By your concern, I suppose you could make pre/post-purchase questionnaire. Or make checkbox titled "By clicking this I agree I will not ask support to help me with basic setup for my vps"

    Hi,

    please let me clarify this:

    There is no problem if a customer is asking howto do this or that or is asking for advice IF its clear that the customer actually tried to make it work and do his best to solve it, but for what ever reason it just does not work ( as expected ).

    There is a big difference between:

    "Please fix/make X work, i have no time/motivation/money to learn/do/pay for it myself, please do it for me"

    vs.

    "I tried to make X work, using $this config but it gave me $that error and according to $favorite_search_engine/AI this could be $foo. Do you have any idea/advice what could be wrong, i am somehow stuck"

    The 1st will get a "sorry our prices do not include server configuration/management. The server you decided for is a self-managed server. Please use your favorite search engine / AI to find out howto make X work".

    The 2nd will get from us a deep analyze what could be the reason, while counterchecking on our side while using our own knowledge and luck to hopefully find together with the customer the root cause of the problem and fix it WITH the customer -- not FOR the customer. If this is done with 1 ticket reply and 30 seconds, perfectly fine. If this needs multiple ticket replies with hours, then shame on the missing knowledge, but we will do that too. ( And learn ourself from it too by the way).

  • zejjntzejjnt Member

    @layer7 said:

    @rpqu said:
    By your concern, I suppose you could make pre/post-purchase questionnaire. Or make checkbox titled "By clicking this I agree I will not ask support to help me with basic setup for my vps"

    Hi,

    please let me clarify this:

    There is no problem if a customer is asking howto do this or that or is asking for advice IF its clear that the customer actually tried to make it work and do his best to solve it, but for what ever reason it just does not work ( as expected ).

    There is a big difference between:

    "Please fix/make X work, i have no time/motivation/money to learn/do/pay for it myself, please do it for me"

    vs.

    "I tried to make X work, using $this config but it gave me $that error and according to $favorite_search_engine/AI this could be $foo. Do you have any idea/advice what could be wrong, i am somehow stuck"

    The 1st will get a "sorry our prices do not include server configuration/management. The server you decided for is a self-managed server. Please use your favorite search engine / AI to find out howto make X work".

    The 2nd will get from us a deep analyze what could be the reason, while counterchecking on our side while using our own knowledge and luck to hopefully find together with the customer the root cause of the problem and fix it WITH the customer -- not FOR the customer. If this is done with 1 ticket reply and 30 seconds, perfectly fine. If this needs multiple ticket replies with hours, then shame on the missing knowledge, but we will do that too. ( And learn ourself from it too by the way).

    This. This is why I like you dude.

    Thanked by 2Shakib sillycat
  • uhuuhu Member

    I'd far prefer honesty. It makes it far easier to tell whether you are competent, if you need a little suggestion you may not have thought of, or need to be avoided.

    People brushing me off usually makes me suspect incompetence.

    Thanked by 1Shakib
  • forestforest Member
    edited May 7

    I personally prefer polite honesty without any kind of corporate speak and without the kind of raw, quasi-rude response that one might expect from someone you aren't paying money to.

    While I've never done tech support or operated a helpdesk, I have done consultation work and some of the clients have been... Helpless, to say the least. If someone is struggling to configure a hostname, rather than questioning whether they really want a VPS, you should use that as an excuse to politely remind them that this is an unmanaged service:

    Please note that this is an unmanaged service, which means that [short description tailored to the apparent level of understanding].

    Something like that will go a long way. They'll either reply saying something like "I know how to configure computers but I've never used a VPS. Is 'hostname' here supposed to be the same name I'd set with 'hostnamectl' or is it some VPS-specific thing?" or they'll say something like "Oh, I've never done this before. Can you do it for me?" which would open up the opportunity for you to charge for a managed service.

    @speedypage said: I tend to balance between professional and being human, code switching depending on how the customer responds.

    This. 10000% this. Each person is going to react differently, and it's not too difficult to figure out the best way to phrase things. There's no one right way to talk to everyone. If someone seems to know their shit, don't dumb things down for them. If someone seems like they clearly have no idea what they're doing, explain things with an emphasis on the upshot, not the cause.

    Here are three examples of tickets I've had and how the interactions differed:

    1. A good experience with a provider that is human, not corporate. - A VPS I had (and still have) with Aluy was due to be migrated from the UK to the Netherlands. For some reason, my VPS remained down and unable to start. When it was handled, I was accidentally given the wrong person's VPS (amusingly, it was a VPS owned by someone who was trying to set up a phishing site). There must have been a bug in the ticket system because the tickets I wrote got auto-closed without notifying them. Eventually I reached out here. They solved the issue and apologized. What struck me was that the interactions were not corporate at all. It really felt like talking to a human (because I was talking to a human). The takeaway I got from that interaction was that we're all human and we all make mistakes, and I don't feel anything negative about them. If anything, I walked away from it knowing that, if I have any future issues, I'll get to talk to a real human who acts like a real human. That's extremely important and single-handedly turned a disappointment into something that made me feel more confident about the service than before the issue.

    2. A bad experience with a provider that was just reading from a script. - A VPS from OrangeVPS was temporarily suspended due to an IP blacklisting issue. When I reached out, I pointed out to them that it was not actually my IP that got blacklisted. Their entire /24 was blacklisted, which included the IP I was assigned to. They said that I was sending "email spam" (the report had nothing to do with email) and didn't seem to understand anything I was saying. They did unsuspend the VPS, but only after making me list to them how I'll "prevent any compromise in the future". There was no compromise, of course, but the fact that the support was essentially just reading from a script left a bad taste in my mouth. It's a shame because the service is great, but that single support incident was disappointing because they never acknowledged that the problem was on their side. At least they knew to ignore the uceprotect report, which was ironically, if I recall, the only report that was on my IP specifically. The other two reports were the blacklisting of the entire /24, and a silly duplicate report which boiled down to "we blacklisted this /24 for getting on a blacklist".

    3. A good experience with a provider that did not dumb down the technical details. - A VPS from SiteHub suddenly started receiving duplicate IP datagrams. ICMP echo requests were coming back with many duplicates, while others were dying to an expired TTL. I collected as much information as I could and I reported it to them. They very quickly replied and fixed the issue, explaining exactly what went wrong. Apparently they host a Nigerian K root nameserver anycast instance and there was a routing misconfiguration. The support I talked to didn't sugarcoat what was happening or dumb it down. There was no "sorry, it was a networking issue and we fixed it". Instead, they actually told me what was happening because they could tell, based on my ticket to them, that I would understand their explanation. That left me understanding that they are absolutely a technically competent provider.

  • zejjntzejjnt Member

    Rule of thumb for me, for a long time, has been "I have no issue with a customer who doesn't know anything about this. What I do have issues with is customers who doesn't know anything about this but act like they do, and even worse they are almost certainly aware THAT they don't know, they're just assholes.

    However, a customer who openly tells me than they have no idea what to do and actually listens when I talk - those are the customers that I'll gladly help install goddamn Mozilla Firefox even if it takes 30 minutes."

    Thanked by 2Shakib forest
  • ehabehab Member

    nothing beats the truth

    short and truth

    is enough.

    Thanked by 2Shakib zejjnt
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