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Who are these providers that sell netflow data?

Yuki_Yuki_ Member
edited April 12 in General

Does there exist any information on these shady providers? pq.hosting seems to be one out of 700+ with a number such as 700. It would seem likely a LET provider or two is selling this data, why would a business betray the customer like this? I assume a lot of data comes from the servers Team Cymru "donates" as CDN's and home ISPs who have a monopoly along with tier one providers like Lumen but does this really amount to 700+? I find it hard to believe.

Do you care about you and your users privacy?
  1. Would you choose a provider that sells your data over a provider that does not if it saved you 10%?23 votes
    1. Yes.
        8.70%
    2. No.
      91.30%

Comments

  • forestforest Member

    They don't need to make a deal with each provider when they can just make a deal with a few popular upstreams and exchanges.

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  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    @Yuki_ said: why would a business betray the customer like this?

    money.
    been a long while since businesses gave a fuck about customers

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    @Yuki_ said: why would a business betray the customer like this?

    Much of the time, they don't even know it's betrayal. Companies like Team Cymru offer to help analyze flow records to help curtail abuse, detect intrusions, etc. It's basically outsourced anomaly detection, threat detection, and threat attribution services. But in the fine print, Team Cymru also gets to resell that information as a data broker...

    @beanman109 said: money.
    been a long while since businesses gave a fuck about customers

    It's only Team Cymru that gets paid. The telecom business pays them, not the other way around.

    Thanked by 1Yuki_
  • zedzed Member

    betrayal is a weird term to use in this context.

  • Yuki_Yuki_ Member

    @forest said
    Much of the time, they don't even know it's betrayal. Companies like Team Cymru offer to help analyze flow records to help curtail abuse, detect intrusions, etc. It's basically outsourced anomaly detection, threat detection, and threat attribution services. But in the fine print, Team Cymru also gets to resell that information as a data broker...

    The reality you have described truly breaks my heart, the fact that law makers are not regulating such activity, presenting oneself as a security company only to then sell the spoils reaped from the good will of companies out the backdoor. Truly distinguish.

    @zed said:
    betrayal is a weird term to use in this context.

    Why do you say that? A customer selects a internet service provider and entrusts them as essentially an extension of themselves, that is, as the internet becomes more woven into out everyday fabric of life, Google acting as a knowledge base, Amazon acting like the shopping bazaar and Netflix like the movie theater, we trust out internet service provider to provide internet not act as a private eye for the highest paying customer.

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  • forestforest Member

    @Yuki_ said: The reality you have described truly breaks my heart, the fact that law makers are not regulating such activity, presenting oneself as a security company only to then sell the spoils reaped from the good will of companies out the backdoor. Truly distinguish.

    The lawmakers like it, considering it allows the NSA and FBI to spy on Americans without running into 5th Amendment issues.

    Thanked by 1stable_genius
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