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EU law vs. ICANN
Interesting read http://blog.blacknight.com/blow-fuse.html
Thanked by 1tchen
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typical yank behavior. They except that the whole galaxy works according to their rule and they simply don't give a fuck about other's rules.
Surely if the law says you can keep the data "for no longer than is necessary", then if the ICANN rules say 2 years then its necessary to keep the data that long? I didn't really read the article fully, too tired from work, but what am I missing?
You're missing the bit where the EU commissioner of something stated the longest he could feasibly see the data held is 13 months. (I didn't read it very well either.)
Our internet, our rules
US governments internet, US governments rules.
Don't you say it's the rules I had any say in.
We invented it, and you are just lucky we share it with you. Like ownership of the Moon
So how's the internet without any HTTP? ;-)
"We"? You (texteditor) didn't invent anything for sure.
Technically the internet was invented in the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
Mexican laws say that you need to retain your financial data up to 5 ywarsa... But the government may ask for more years a, and you need to have them ready. So, you don't really know how many years
Technically, HTTP is not the internet.
I'm trying to decide if you're being sarcastic or really think the HTTP == Internet.
Wait. This is LET. You really do think that.
IP Protocol: 1981
HTTP Protocol: 1996
No. You must surrender your geek card and cannot reclaim it until you turn 18.
Bahahah
I didn't know that Donald Watts Davies was american ;-)
I know HTTP is not the internet.
Regardless we would have gotten along fine with the superior American-created gopher protocol
Come on, America did invent the Internet. I think its fair for the inventor of a idea to have some say in the use of that idea.
The map of the internet in 1969:
Europe did invent America...
Since when was Tim Berners-Lee American?
Wikipedia...
But that is understandable, as the yanks don't believe in global warming, claim the Earth is only 4000 years old, etc.
That's not completely true. Developed yes, invented no. Internet was a result of collaboration of many people. Many consider welshman Donald Watts Davies as father of the internet.
A bit more of reading:
http://www.invent.org/hall_of_fame/328.html
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/09/donald-davies/
http://www.academia.edu/378261/Who_is_the_Father_of_the_Internet_The_Case_for_Donald_Davies
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2000/jun/02/guardianobituaries2
Poor Paul Baran.
Why poor?
Donald Davies and Paul Baran were independently working around same things at same time. Part of this is covered also in articles linked above.
Anyway, what I tryed to tell is that there's no reason for arrogance of a certain nation. Internet is a result of collaboration of many people of various nations.
That's much better. Neither Baran nor Davies appreciated it much when only one of either of them was getting credit at any given time (nationalistic papers being what they are). Like you said, their correspondence to each other is covered in a few of the articles which they go on at length about it. It just smacked of something wrong when your post unequivocally mentioned only one - relegating the other inventor into the pool of 'collaborators'.
@tchen you're right of course but that was done strictly in the light of this conversation to show that internet isn't invented by certain nation as some may believe and there's no reason for arrogance. Davies contribution is important but sadly often overlooked. We learn every day something new and its good that you poked me also about Baran. Both names deserve to be mentioned here - and I believe that some LET members know a little bit more about history of the internet now.
CocaCola owns the Moon :P
No, just the rights to Santa Claus and polar bears
What about Radia Perlman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radia_Perlman
Let's not forget that Santa would still be green if it wasn't for Coca Cola's marketing campaign in 1923
It may be safe to say that 45 years ago ARPANET was born following the work of Americans but the internet as we know it today is a far more evolved platform and it is moronic and downright rude for any American to claim 'ownership' over it.
It's like the 'Space Race', just because NASA got to the Moon first, that doesn't mean NASA own it. It was claimed on behalf of mankind and as such every person has the right to set foot on it.
The internet is kept alive for the benefit of the whole world.
EDIT: The below text pretty much sums up the authority of todays internet and it's relation (or lack of) to ARPANET.
Between 1984 and 1986 the U.S. National Science Foundation created the NSFNET backbone, using TCP/IP, to connect their supercomputing facilities. NSFNET became a general-purpose research network, a hub to connect the supercomputing centers to each other and to the regional research and education networks that would in turn connect campus networks.[13] The combined networks became generally known as the Internet. By the end of 1989 Australia, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom were connected to the Internet, which had grown to contain more than 160,000 hosts.
In 1990, the ARPANET was formally terminated. In 1991 the NSF began to relax its restrictions on commercial use on NSFNET and commercial network providers began to interconnect. The final restrictions on carrying commercial traffic ended on April 30, 1995 when the National Science Foundation ended its sponsorship of the NSFNET Backbone Service and the service ended.[14][15] Today almost all Internet infrastructure in the U.S. and much in other countries is provided and owned by the private sector. Traffic is exchanged between these networks, at major interconnect points, in accordance with established Internet standards and commercial agreements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_governance
holy shit, you guys are actually arguing about the invention of the Internet?
this thread is soooooo derailed like shit.