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For the first time in 25 years, I no longer have any servers at all for personal use

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  • Congrats! I have 20+ servers, currently in the process of shrinking it down to 5 at max and all with dedicated resources (dedicated/vds).
    Thankfully right now we have tons of tools to simplify self-hosted and security updates with good firewall practice. So the time it takes for setup is slightly higher than managed services in my case and I control my data.
    My next step would be to see what I could migrate to managed service with low risk (and good backup policy if i want to change) and to even shrink down more of my servers. And maybe I could save a bit of money, but will be quite hard since i have nas backups :neutral:

  • @emgh said:
    Except storing your sent email basically amounts to storing your inbox. It’s not the same thing as a 2fa code at all.

    2fa code and sent mail is in your mailbox, which also contains your inbox. I don't know what you're getting at. it's your mail storage that needs to be secured, not the MTAs or middlemen. Or maybe you thought your "sent mail" folder is on the sending side?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited December 2025

    @artxs said:

    @emgh said:
    Except storing your sent email basically amounts to storing your inbox. It’s not the same thing as a 2fa code at all.

    2fa code and sent mail is in your mailbox, which also contains your inbox. I don't know what you're getting at. it's your mail storage that needs to be secured, not the MTAs or middlemen. Or maybe you thought your "sent mail" folder is on the sending side?

    Yes. That’s what I think. Emails aren’t encrypted so whats stopping the SMTP provider from basically storing your sent folder one sent email at a time?

    The answer is nothing at all.

  • Welcome back!
    From the future YOU.

  • I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    Thanked by 1jcn50
  • @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    Calin's stealth-alt has arrived in the chat! :)

    The real question is metal racks or wooden?

    Thanked by 1COLBYLICIOUS
  • PlatonksPlatonks Member
    edited December 2025

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That is the solution I had last year (way less in scale lol), build sff pc nas from used parts at home. It worked great, but my situation has changed and it is not possible for me to do so (unreliable power grid and network, nobody close by in case of failure, cannot host at home).
    So now, data center for availability, home hosting for unreliable backups :smile:

    Thanked by 1mhpteam
  • @ralf said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    Calin's stealth-alt has arrived in the chat! :)

    The real question is metal racks or wooden?

    Believe it or not, but I have researched carefully before starting to self-host and leasing some of my servers. Btw a single 42U tower can cost more than 3 of the ryzen set mentioned above so I would never do that (for now).

  • @Platonks said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That is the solution I had last year (way less in scale lol), build sff pc nas from used parts at home. It worked great, but my situation has changed and it is not possible for me to do so (unreliable power grid and network, nobody close by in case of failure, cannot host at home).
    So now, data center for availability, home hosting for unreliable backups :smile:

    Yeah, if possible I will soon implement solar panels and auto switch's generator for 99.9% SLA.

    Thanked by 2Platonks ralf
  • @mhpteam said:

    @Platonks said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That is the solution I had last year (way less in scale lol), build sff pc nas from used parts at home. It worked great, but my situation has changed and it is not possible for me to do so (unreliable power grid and network, nobody close by in case of failure, cannot host at home).
    So now, data center for availability, home hosting for unreliable backups :smile:

    Yeah, if possible I will soon implement solar panels and auto switch's generator for 99.9% SLA.

    Awesome :D don't forget starlink in case of network failure ;)

    Thanked by 1mhpteam
  • @Platonks said:

    @mhpteam said:

    @Platonks said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That is the solution I had last year (way less in scale lol), build sff pc nas from used parts at home. It worked great, but my situation has changed and it is not possible for me to do so (unreliable power grid and network, nobody close by in case of failure, cannot host at home).
    So now, data center for availability, home hosting for unreliable backups :smile:

    Yeah, if possible I will soon implement solar panels and auto switch's generator for 99.9% SLA.

    Awesome :D don't forget starlink in case of network failure ;)

    My country is in the pending list. Maybe just do a phone farm with 5 hotspots always open to switch to >:)

    Thanked by 1Platonks
  • @emgh said:
    Yes. That’s what I think. Emails aren’t encrypted so whats stopping the SMTP provider from basically storing your sent folder one sent email at a time?
    The answer is nothing at all.

    True, but so what? Your argument is, because your SMTP provider can potentially log your sent emails, then it's pointless to take control of your email data and might as well let your entire mailbox be hosted by someone else and control nothing. It's a straw man argument.

  • @mhpteam said:

    @Platonks said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That is the solution I had last year (way less in scale lol), build sff pc nas from used parts at home. It worked great, but my situation has changed and it is not possible for me to do so (unreliable power grid and network, nobody close by in case of failure, cannot host at home).
    So now, data center for availability, home hosting for unreliable backups :smile:

    Yeah, if possible I will soon implement solar panels and auto switch's generator for 99.9% SLA.

    I miss florin, he added a lot of value

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @artxs said:

    @emgh said:
    Yes. That’s what I think. Emails aren’t encrypted so whats stopping the SMTP provider from basically storing your sent folder one sent email at a time?
    The answer is nothing at all.

    True, but so what? Your argument is, because your SMTP provider can potentially log your sent emails, then it's pointless to take control of your email data and might as well let your entire mailbox be hosted by someone else and control nothing. It's a straw man argument.

    Nope, you said it’s not important to self host the sending only the inbox. I said if you care about no one having your emails, both are important.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • @emgh said:
    Nope, you said it’s not important to self host the sending only the inbox. I said if you care about no one having your emails, both are important.

    Now I get where you're coming from. You think email is always point to point. :D

  • @artxs said:

    @emgh said:
    You’re aware emails typically aren’t encrypted, right?
    So by your own definition of concern, sending is absolutely a concern.

    "On the wire" data is not a concern. Look, if someone were to try to intercept my Paypal 2FA code sent over email, they're not going to wiretap HE or GTT and intercept a billion emails just to catch one email.

    You haven't been paying attention. That's a fuck of a lot easier than tapping your local inbox.

    Did you not read in the Snowden leaks?

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That isn't near enough math.

  • @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    What would you pick for remote desktop? I just discovered RustDesk and its really useful for family & friends when I need to troubleshoot something in their PC.

    How unfortunate for your friends and family that you failed to do due diligence on RustDesk :D :D :D

    Thanked by 1CloudHopper
  • @TimboJones said:

    @mhpteam said:
    I'm moving to self-hosting right now. Gotta build a data center soon, I just calculated the total cost, my 8 servers ~$420 a year. With $420 I can build ryzen 5 5600 series, up to 64gb ddr4 and even a mid gpu, and it cost less than 8 usd/month to run 24/7, meaning next year I have saved enough to buy another set :)

    That isn't near enough math.

    im gonna build this set soon, but im trying workstation one first

  • artxsartxs Member
    edited December 2025

    @TimboJones said:

    "On the wire" data is not a concern. Look, if someone were to try to intercept my Paypal 2FA code sent over email, they're not going to wiretap HE or GTT and intercept a billion emails just to catch one email.

    You haven't been paying attention. That's a fuck of a lot easier than tapping your local inbox.

    If you can get GTT to wiretap their backbone to intercept a single email, then you can also get the hosting provider that's running your $10 vps mailserver to do the same thing. That's even fucking easier. Are you making idiotic statements to defend your buddy?

  • When I check the mail log, everything I've noticed in recent history is transmitted encrypted, even though it's not required.

  • @artxs said:

    @TimboJones said:

    "On the wire" data is not a concern. Look, if someone were to try to intercept my Paypal 2FA code sent over email, they're not going to wiretap HE or GTT and intercept a billion emails just to catch one email.

    You haven't been paying attention. That's a fuck of a lot easier than tapping your local inbox.

    If you can get GTT to wiretap their backbone to intercept a single email, then you can also get the hosting provider that's running your $10 vps mailserver to do the same thing. That's even fucking easier. Are you making idiotic statements to defend your buddy?

    I don't know who you're referring to, I'm saying that the infrastructure is already in place to filter data for specific people. It's a simple request within the NSA. This has been the case for decades. Google XKeyscore program. I'm not sure if you're being naive or obtuse.

  • @TimboJones said:
    I don't know who you're referring to, I'm saying that the infrastructure is already in place to filter data for specific people. It's a simple request within the NSA. This has been the case for decades. Google XKeyscore program. I'm not sure if you're being naive or obtuse.

    Thanks for the additional useless trivia information. I've said from the beginning that on-the-wire transmission is not a concern since it can be intercepted anywhere. Good to know that the NSA is one of them.

  • @artxs said:
    I've said from the beginning that on-the-wire transmission is not a concern since it can be intercepted anywhere.

    Wut? If something can be intercepted anywhere, I'd say it sure as fuck is a concern. Your original statement made the point it's not a concern because packet sniffing isn't practical, and I said it sure is!

    On the wire" data is not a concern. Look, if someone were to try to intercept my Paypal 2FA code sent over email, they're not going to wiretap HE or GTT and intercept a billion emails just to catch one email.

  • roblowendroblowend Member
    edited December 2025

    This is crazy talk. If you get rid of your servers, what are you going to idle!? But seriously, the ProxMox community scripts are really life changing for a mouse jockey idiot like your boy: https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts

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