Content encoding from origin server to Cloudflare?

Roldan

What do you guys use for your dynamic PHP websites?
Especially using Nginx on the origin server.

zstd is nice but not yet supported by Cloudflare.

Rubben

fuck it who even uses php nowadays react it

Roldan

This forum LET uses PHP, and it seems they are using Brotli.

oloke

Brotli was made for web compression, it includes a hard-coded dictionary containing most common words and code snippets and initializes the LZ77 sliding window with it before compression.

Quoting a paper from Brotli authors:

Unlike other algorithms compared here, brotli includes a static dictionary. It contains 13’504
words or syllables of English, Spanish, Chinese, Hindi, Russian and Arabic, as well as common
phrases used in machine readable languages, particularly HTML and JavaScript. The total size
of the static dictionary is 122’784 bytes. The static dictionary is extended by a mechanism of
transforms that slightly change the words in the dictionary. A total of 1’633’984 sequences,
although not all of them unique, can be constructed by using the 121 transforms. To reduce the
amount of bias the static dictionary gives to the results, we used a multilingual web corpus of 93
different languages where only 122 of the 1285 documents (9.5 %) are in languages supported
by our static dictionary.

That's why it usually performs really well on very short ( <500 B ) HTTP responses, whereas Gzip and Zstd need to fill their buffers to back reference anything. It puts them both at a bit of disadvantage to Brotli, so I always to prefer to use Brotli on the web as it was clearly made for it.

That being said, Gzip is still better than not having compression at all and seems to be supported almost everywhere nowadays.

The support for Zstd on the web was introduced quite recently and it's always nice to see a modern compression algorithm being adopted in so many places

Both Brotli and Zstd improve the performance of entropy coder by using FSE instead of huffman implemented in gzip. The sliding window in modern algorithms is also more flexible than limited 32K of gzip.

woinokiz

@Rubben said:
fuck it who even uses php nowadays react it

Almost everyone here (companies), most are whmcs,blesta,...

Rubben

@Roldan said:
This forum LET uses PHP, and it seems they are using Brotli.

this ass website looks like from the 90s so no surprise there

wuck

@Rubben said:

@Roldan said:
This forum LET uses PHP, and it seems they are using Brotli.

this ass website looks like from the 90s so no surprise there

The search is definetly some hot ass from the 90s

OhJohn

Just don't use Cloudflare. Problem solved.

yoursunny

@OhJohn said:
Just don't use Cloudflare. Problem solved.

Do you want to be DDoS’d offline 21 hours per day?
Cloudflare is the web now.

NeedDeal

@Rubben said:

@Roldan said:
This forum LET uses PHP, and it seems they are using Brotli.

this ass website looks like from the 90s so no surprise there

Yes, let's use discourse so when you open let it will take you half of a fucking minute.

snowman11

@woinokiz said:

@Rubben said:
fuck it who even uses php nowadays react it

Almost everyone here (companies), most are whmcs,blesta,...

Doesn't change the fact that it's ancient lol

niznet

Cloudflare does support zstd, but it is still in beta. You have to enable it manually in the compression rule.

woinokiz

@snowman11 said:

@woinokiz said:

@Rubben said:
fuck it who even uses php nowadays react it

Almost everyone here (companies), most are whmcs,blesta,...

Doesn't change the fact that it's ancient lol

Yeah then suck it

Rubben

@woinokiz said:

@snowman11 said:

@woinokiz said:

@Rubben said:
fuck it who even uses php nowadays react it

Almost everyone here (companies), most are whmcs,blesta,...

Doesn't change the fact that it's ancient lol

Yeah then suck it

I'd gladly suck it, hit me up

Roldan

@niznet said: Cloudflare does support zstd, but it is still in beta. You have to enable it manually in the compression rule.

Which page specifically?
I cannot find it on my domain using the pro plan.

Edit: Seen it now, thanks.
/rules/overview?type=http_response_compression

Roldan

@niznet said: Cloudflare does support zstd, but it is still in beta.

I just tried, and it will just force zstd compression from Cloudflare to the clients.
It still doesn't support zstd from Origin server > Cloudflare > client end-to-end compression.

niznet

@Roldan said: It still doesn't support zstd from Origin server > Cloudflare > client end-to-end compression.

True, you have to disable your origin server compression.